Lucy Letby Case #3

[Lucyxxxx]

I have been following this case and the thread for a few days and I have found most of the posts enlightening and well put, which is helpful when you don't have a medical background. BUT... at the same time, I have a child with 'invisible' disabilities and conditions and have had so many encounters with medical professionals who are dismissive, rude and downright convinced that she/I am being dramatic that I am horrified by how many people have freely admitted looking up patients online to be 'nosey'. As if we didn't feel we could trust the medical community a lot of the time already, this just astounds me. How dare anyone think that they are entitled to do that? And don't give me that bollocks about only being human - there is no way you can persuade me that looking up patients and their families is ethical or acceptable within that profession. There would be little to find on my social media as I rarely use it anyway, but the idea of someone snooping and laughing at my family when we have come to you for help beggars belief. What a shitty realisation to have come to.

Oh I hear this! I was told for a long time with my autistic son I was "imagining things that aren't there" until he came to his 2.5 yr review and all of a sudden it was "why haven't you reported concerns earlier" hello I have since he was 9 MONTHS old and was told I'm making it up! I was also looked at as crazy when I 1st questioned if my youngest has cerebal palsy, one professional even put "mum thinks babyLucy has CP cause she reads things on the internet". Turns out I was right with both of my SEN kids.

 

[amb1505]

Thank you so much to the wonderful people who have worked so hard on the wiki tonight. The thread moves so quick and it’s so hard to keep up especially when working full time and this is a really heavy detail case with the amount of victims. Not a quick job so just wanted to say thank you, makes it easier for new and existing people to follow

 

[Stiltoncheese]

Ok, so reading between the lines about the text she said to a colleague about being understimulated just doing feeding support (I can understand this as she was very qualified) then are the prosecution implying they think motive might have been to create issues so she had more to do? Comes back to God complex again

 

[cantthinkofaname2]

Facebook search on the year anniversary of child O passing. Sorry no this is too much.

I agree. There’s something seriously wrong with that. She had that date memorised for a reason and not a good one.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

The poll is very interesting and very telling. By rights it should read: Innocent 100%, because innocent until proven guilty right?
However it sits at 2.6%.
The prosecution is laying out their case, they havent proved anything yet. Thats still to come.
Proves bias is a real thing, conscious or unconscious, it's fundamental human nature. I know we were all answering a question put to us, but did we critically think when answering.
I just find it interesting. Sorry!
I know the unsure percentage is very high. I wonder how this poll will change as the trial goes on. I'm NOT criticising , but I thought I'd share my observations that's all folks!!!
Just an observation.

Obviously though, this isn’t a court so the principle of innocent until proven guilty is pretty irrelevant, apart from conceptually. Most people would put don’t know as you’d expect. After all, If someone stopped you on the street and said “I think the post master has got a criminal record what do you think?” You’d say “I don’t know” not “absolutely not until proven otherwise!”

Innocent until proven guilty is a concept used in law, there is no obligation to use it in real life. When we don’t know we don’t know.

I don’t believe the theory about LL being desperate for a baby or having a miscarriage at all. Why would she need anything like that to have happened? That’s the plot of a murder mystery.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

The idea that a Police force who already are criticised for not dealing with jobs and not having enough police etc, underfunded, would waste precious time and man power doing something for show I don’t think is realistic.
I imagine that in any instance where there is murder and criminal activity on such a scale they have to consider that the perpetrator may have hid evidence, concealed it at her home address.

I dunno the police do waste man power arresting people for saying men aren't women on twitter. I personally think they would ramp things up for show but we can agree to disagree.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Isn't it pretty established that innocent people can behave really oddly in these kinds of high anxiety situations?

I think Amanda Knox is used an example quite a bit? (Ignore this bit if you think she was guilty )

Consider that bit ignored

 

[wishiniwasskinny]

I don’t but into the scapegoat theory as it would mean 3 independent organisations (NHS, police & CPS) colluding together.
would the NHS want to scapegoat her if there had deaths that they hadn’t acted on? Maybe. But I don’t believe that would hold up under scrutiny from the police & then CPS.
Just from what we’ve heard I believe it’s sufficient evidence to bring the case to court for a jury to decide. No conspiracy or scapegoat necessary.

The scapegoat conspiracies hold no weight with me. Even if in some mad world a whole organisation conspired to have one person done for murder to evade failings, or if she was a whistleblower, that’s relying on a whole team of people not having a conscience and never revealing the truth. It just isn’t likely. Sadly there are bad people in the world. The CPS wouldn’t be prosecuting with no evidence that they think is strong. And the police don’t have time/manpower to spend wasted on “fake” investigations. There were no doubt failings at the hospital which are evident anyway so there will likely be an investigation and enquiry anyway. Plenty of hospitals have inquiries into failings. There was another not so long ago, I can’t remember which, that was on the news a lot due to inquiries into numerous deaths and failings. It isn’t unheard of

 

[danhumphxoxo]

anyone defending her strange behaviour around searching for families of babies she had either harmed or killed and putting it down to curiosity, is also strange. When asked in her interview if she remembered doing that she stated she didn’t but if the police had evidence to suggest she did she will accept. NOW as a psychiatrist for me that’s worrying a person who did something like that out of curiosity would just explain that they were curious or give a reason. She offered no explaining for it other than the sympathy card she sent which she also recognised isn’t normal, but said she sent it because of how close she got to the family? Odd but again this reasoning can make sense the rest doesn’t to me unfortunately

 

[Allmyownopinion]

I asked the same question on the last thread; why wasn’t a thorough investigation started immediately when these incidents happened, all staff removed even, until they ascertained it wasn’t deliberate!!!! Babies being pumped with air to suffocate them, babies found profusely bleeding what the actual fuck! And not one person was pulled in? No one called an immediate investigation? To me, she did it, she’s guilty, but the whole disgusting hospital is to blame for letting a killer run free like this for so long!!!!

 

[MrsJones83]

“By this time, the prosecution say, Letby was supposed only to be working day shifts because the consultants were concerned about the correlation between her presence and unexpected deaths and life-threatening episodes on the night-shifts”

So they’ve realised something’s up, but we’re on child L, and they let her get to child q? Why didn’t they suspend her already?

 

[riddleme89]

I understand innocent until proven guilty . But come on it’s not looking great is it . She’s either extremely wierd or she has done these crimes . I can’t believe how many nurses admit on here to doing such things . I can understand searching a family althoigh it’s absolutely something I have never done and I have worked in health care for over ten years . But to search a family after they died and then carry on searching the family years down the line and on Christmas Day . After a baby died she went home searched the family and then searched the previous two children’s family’s that died . Now that isn’t normal at all . standing Over a baby whilst it’s lifeless and baby’s tubes dislodged on a baby that doesn’t move . Didn’t raise an alarm but baby died minutes later … first thing any nurse does when a baby is lifeless or any patient is press the button for all medically trained staff to help . The fact she didn’t is chillin

 

[Stiltoncheese]

Same with baby E. All very sketchy tbh

We still haven't really heard the evidence though, this is just the bare outline. They must have a whole lot more in way of records, notes etc that can back up their allegation, as I just can't see how they got this past CPS otherwise

 

[StrawberryCream]

If she’s guilty there doesn’t need to be a reason why she has done it, like people suggesting childhood trauma or something ‘bad’ happening to her. She could just be a psychopath, it’s a psychological condition and she would just feel no empathy for anyone. I watched something years ago where a woman who was a psychopath (but didn’t murder anyone) explained that she would feel like a cat and everyone else in the world is a mouse and she could toy with them however she pleased and would feel nothing.

 

[MrsJones83]

I don’t understand the texting of Medical info on fb messenger to other staff either, surely that’s a breach of confidentiality

 

[Stiltoncheese]

Am I imagining it, or as we go through the alphabet, each case seems slightly worse than the one before it? Getting cocky perhaps or just coincidence?

 

[Stiltoncheese]

As a healthcare professional myself I cannot bel she managed to get away with this for so long. Even the paediatricians were suspicious! I’m sure I remember reading somewhere that the majority of babies were from families of the like? This shows purposeful targeting.

I don't believe this is true. I just can't see why there would be so many babies from the like in such a short space of time that were all premature and requiring NICU. The odds on that must be so tiny. The first 5 or 6 cases were all in the space of a handful of weeks. It just seems so unlikely to me.

Sounds like someone has just made it up to be controversial

 

[miss_demeanour]

For the people saying she wanted the glory of being the one who ‘saved’ the babies when she collapsed a la Beverly Allit, I don’t see that at all. She didn’t put herself forward as a ‘saviour’ in that way at all. The monitors not going off doesn’t fit with that, nor does the occasions of not seeking help from further up the medical chain when she should have. This is not any sort of maunchausens scenario.

maunchausens involves a lot of attention seeking. I just don’t see that here so far

 

[Snoopdog]

Ugh this is horrendous. Baby I. My surviving twin came back from the brink so many times. we nearly lost him continually over a period of 8 months. He is an amazing little boy now who can read, has friends, is the absolute love of my life and is so very special, everyone who comes into contact with him just loves him. To think of these tiny lives like my son’s, with so much ahead being just snuffed out, I can’t comprehend what I am reading and it is taking me right back to our own nightmare nicu days. It’s been made me question if my daughter died naturally. I’m not sure I can take 6 months of this but I feel like I need to know what’s gone on.

I wonder where dr Jayaram is now

He was quite active on social media a while ago although haven’t seen anything recently. He was a lovely dr, saw my daughter for a while - I remember he did iron man competitions as well, which is completely irrelevant he always stood out in my
Mind as being a really lovely, kind, thorough Dr and nice person

 

[TruffleShuffles]

A failing hoapital with already poor care practice provides opportunity for someone with ill intent towards the babies to harm them and not raise suspicions at least for a while

This is what I think. There were serious failings at the hospital that allowed Letby to carry out the attacks without being caught for quite some time. I don’t buy the scapegoat theory, I don’t doubt that coverups happen but not to the extent that they would allow someone to go to prison for the rest of their lives.