It’s shocking. I can’t remember when it was said but it was quite late into the cases.
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I've been re-reading a lot of the Wiki, and I have to say I have massive concerns about how that unit was being run, and I don't mean the staffing levels. It is claimed she was moved to non-clinical duties when one consultant became suspicious about the number of incidents when she was about, but this seems like a massive under-reaction; I mean we are not talking about a suspicion that she was nicking supplies or making off with NHS toilet roll. Then there was the lack of response to blood tests showing that two children had been given exogenous insulin on the basis that "they are okay now". That's a bit like not bothering to investigate a shooting on the basis that the victim pulled through. Oh, there is so much which bothers me and I'm sure that whatever the outcome of this trial, there will be some very difficult questions for the management to answer in the fullness of time.
It sorta feels like they were doing everything to ensure they didn't get sued for unfair dismissal.
Which just sorta boggles my mind that that was even a concern when they were looking at the real possibility that she was murdering babies!!
It wasn't like they thought she was just nicking drugs from the cabinet, surely the babies lives should have been given more priority over any potential unfounded harm to Letbys career!??
Following on from yesterday's question, if I was falsely accused I wouldn't take the stand and I'd lawyer up and no comment through police interviews as soon as I got a whif I was a suspect.
I've seen too many programmes about miscarriages of justice
Your memory is fallible and the slightest mistake is twisted and used against you.
Not that i think Letby is innocent.
I've seen too many programmes about miscarriages of justice
Your memory is fallible and the slightest mistake is twisted and used against you.
Not that i think Letby is innocent.
Yeah it would be interesting to know if the message was one of many along the same topic lines and is only significant because it relates to child N and/or specific incident, or if it’s a total one off and is significant for that reason too.
Similarly the on her phone at work a lot, unquestionably yes but from some of the accounts of her interacting with the nurses who took over children’s care, it sounds like she wasn’t the only one doing it.
Absolutely this! If it was a genuine concern, why did they not call the police in at that stage?
Irrespective of the murder charges, that unit was an absolute shambles. I'm going to hazard a guess that a fair few of them were playing on their phones during their shift...that's not disputing how hard the medical staff worked but it just sounds like there was no one 'guiding the ship' and that weakness was taken advantage of.
Oh yes thanks for explaining! They must know what charges to go with to make sure she get's sent down for the max possible and doesn't get off on some. I just can't get my head around her failing 3+ times when she was a nurse. I just think she didn't intend death those times, that's why I was trying to analyse the charges more.
Am still amazed someone could be doing what she was (allegedly) doing back in 2015/16, after Beverly Allitt I thought this would never happen again. Back then you didn't even have social media or mobile phones but they are painting quite a picture with this case aren't they.
Been a silent watcher on these threads until now. I absolutely hate this woman with every fibre of my being. Those poor innocent little babies.
That rat is the definition of evil, not only for her acts but to have the audacity to put these poor parents through 6 months of listening to the absolute hell she unleashed on helpless newborn babies, the most pure beings on earth. She’s probably getting something out of it, hearing what she’s done.
I hope she never has a moments peace in her life again.
So much love for the parents and jurors involved in this case. They are so brave.
That rat is the definition of evil, not only for her acts but to have the audacity to put these poor parents through 6 months of listening to the absolute hell she unleashed on helpless newborn babies, the most pure beings on earth. She’s probably getting something out of it, hearing what she’s done.
I hope she never has a moments peace in her life again.
So much love for the parents and jurors involved in this case. They are so brave.
The latest episode of the Mail LL podcast has dropped last night. Tbh, a pretty brief one indeed. I’ll be up for a podcast once this has concluded for sure.
They go off on a tangent about the Charlene Downes murder for some reason…the guy says he got to know the family well etc…fails to mention that they knowingly pimped her out to older men mind
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They go off on a tangent about the Charlene Downes murder for some reason…the guy says he got to know the family well etc…fails to mention that they knowingly pimped her out to older men mind
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It's hard to sack someone in the nhs but it's common to move someone non clinical pending an investigation. If they noticed this pattern sooner (which they claim they did when they moved her to days) then she should have been moved to non clinical or suspended at that point.
Even if she is guilty this ward has allowed her to continue by not acting properly and being poorly led. I know the nurses and Dr's aren't on trial but their practice was shocking at times and that's just what we're hearing in relation to LL.
The chaos and poor practise on the ward created the perfect environment for her. It's just sickenening.
I wonder how much has been covered up to save the arses of others? We will never know.
No bloody wonder they want anonymity in court.
I wonder how much has been covered up to save the arses of others? We will never know.
No bloody wonder they want anonymity in court.
I’ve worked in some places that had awful practice that we had to change as managers etc when I went into a role but I didn’t start using it as a cover to kill people. Bad practice or not she’s an evil killer. I’m starting to think she’ll get off but on a technical factor rather than her being innocent. I’ll never not think she didn’t do it as it’s far too coincidental that similar things have occurred in her shift.
Crash in Chester might mean a delayed court today
The nmc also have strict guidance around the use of phones and social media platforms so that won’t go well either if she’s found innocent and try’s to get her pin back. Not that she will get it like
Crash in Chester might mean a delayed court today
The nmc also have strict guidance around the use of phones and social media platforms so that won’t go well either if she’s found innocent and try’s to get her pin back. Not that she will get it like
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Surely she cannot be cleared of every single charge as that would be madness and dreadful for all these families who have suffered so much and have had to listen to all this terrible information and have been challenged themselves about their own recollections etc.
It makes it much clearer in the podcast that they are alleging that two bags were poisoned for baby F.
There’s far more detail in these podcasts than on the reporting, it just shows how much more the jury are hearing.
There’s far more detail in these podcasts than on the reporting, it just shows how much more the jury are hearing.
They also fail to mention how casual her mum was when she rang the police! She said something like “my daughter went missing yesterday” and then when she was asked to come down to the police station she said she was a bit busy and asked could she do it later. The operator was horrified and told her daughter was missing and she couldn’t wait…The latest episode of the Mail LL podcast has dropped last night. Tbh, a pretty brief one indeed. I’ll be up for a podcast once this has concluded for sure.
They go off on a tangent about the Charlene Downes murder for some reason…the guy says he got to know the family well etc…fails to mention that they knowingly pimped her out to older men mind
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He's probably having his balls waxed for Christmas. He seems the type 
The witch is going down. Hopefully a whole life tariff.
BA’s 30 year tariff will be up soon. Can you be paroled from Rampton? Not that she’s going to get it.
BA's tariff expired November 2021 but I don't think she can apply for parole unless she's found fit to be transferred to prison. Happy to be corrected ofc.
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