That’s what I thought too. She’s kept herself in Rampton this far, so is she even going to try?
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I wouldn't think so. She won't survive prison or the outside world.
I think BA would be so institutionalised that she wouldn’t make it in the real world now and she’d need a new identity or she’d have vigilantes trying to kill her all the time
From today's report:
"In the early hours of September 8, Child G was moved to Arrowe Park, where she had been born weighing 1lb 2oz.
Medics suspected sepsis as Child G required ventilation support with 100% oxygen but gradually she improved and was breathing for herself a week later.
Her markers for infection also fell as doctors ruled she was clinically stable and no longer needed specialist care as she was returned to the Countess of Chester on September 16.
Letby is accused of overfeeding Child G with milk through a nasogastric tube (NGT) and/or injecting air into the tube."
It's evidence like this which really concerns me - the medics at Arrowe Park suspected sepsis, and clearly she had raised markers of infection which gave rise to this suspicion and which subsequently fell. It was also a week before she was breathing for herself again, so not the miraculous and instant recovery which I think they have tried to portray. That suggests to me that there was a very obvious cause for her deterioration, namely the sepsis. Surely that's a very easy one for the Defence to challenge?
"In the early hours of September 8, Child G was moved to Arrowe Park, where she had been born weighing 1lb 2oz.
Medics suspected sepsis as Child G required ventilation support with 100% oxygen but gradually she improved and was breathing for herself a week later.
Her markers for infection also fell as doctors ruled she was clinically stable and no longer needed specialist care as she was returned to the Countess of Chester on September 16.
Letby is accused of overfeeding Child G with milk through a nasogastric tube (NGT) and/or injecting air into the tube."
It's evidence like this which really concerns me - the medics at Arrowe Park suspected sepsis, and clearly she had raised markers of infection which gave rise to this suspicion and which subsequently fell. It was also a week before she was breathing for herself again, so not the miraculous and instant recovery which I think they have tried to portray. That suggests to me that there was a very obvious cause for her deterioration, namely the sepsis. Surely that's a very easy one for the Defence to challenge?
Suspected sepsis isn’t sepsis.
Inflammatory markers can be raised for numerous reasons.
She was back to breathing, unassisted, in air in a week.
She was OK for a couple of weeks until…back in LL’s ‘care’.
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BA is sectioned under the Mental Health Act in a high secure unit. I doubt she'd just walk free once she's served her sentence. Working in the MH field, I would imagine she'd have to be found to not be detainable under the Mental Health Act (which is completely different to being detainable in prison) first and that's highly unlikely given that she's in Rampton. People stepping down from high secure units after that long normally step down to supportive rehab facilities in the hospital (e.g. still on a high secure ward but where you might have less restrictions like having a key to your own door) or they might be deemed safe enough to be detained on a medium secure unit. It's a slower process as obviously people on high secure units have posed a significant risk to others and a lot of them have been in secure services for years and are very institutionalised.
Apologies if I'm telling you something you all already know!
Inflammatory markers can, yes - but you would need to know which markers were elevated. CRP - yeah, maybe inflammatory, although in a baby it would normally indicate infection. WBC raised - almost certainly infection.
At the very least it casts doubt on the theory that she was poorly because she was attacked
I don’t see how she had time to be texting so much at work when she had high risk and multiple babies to care for.. When I look after my baby niece I don’t get a second to look at my phone - I didn’t even have a minute to get a drink for hours today 
It worries me too. Things like this and the confusion over the bags for baby F and whether she was there or had access to the second are the type of things that will start putting doubt into the juries minds. Along with the way the ward seems to have generally been chaotic and mismanaged, if she is G it could end up that she gets off on reasonable doubt.
The whole argument for most of the babies is the pattern and while that works in the prosecutions favour to prove, it will also work against them as if the jury start to doubt cases in the pattern they’ll start to doubt them all. Then add in one of the insulin ones doesn’t seem anywhere near as clear cut that it was LL as it originally sounded even if they’re all in agreement it was deliberately done by someone and the prosecution case is starting to crack.
Exactly this, it’s worrying to be honest.
I agree with you both.
If you took any of these cases in isolation, there would be extremely scant evidence to bring a case against anyone, frankly, at least not a case built on causing deliberate harm. I am concerned about some of this just being a case of confirmation bias.
So even though the defence and LL have agreed that the insulin poisonings are deliberate, you’re trying to say they are not?
It’s not just one overall verdict though - they will have to provide a verdict on every single charge and considering we haven’t heard the evidence for all the babies yet even if the defence can cast doubt on all but 1 it will only take one guilty verdict and she’s finished
I know that, but there is a massive difference between being convicted of 1 count and all of them. And the more charges they start to doubt, the more the remaining ones need to be cast iron not just “it fits a pattern” and “she was there”.
There’s the other point if they don’t convict either one of the 2 insulin counts (or even both), the hospital are really going to have some questions to answer - they’ve all agreed it was deliberate so if the jury find it wasn’t LL then the question is who was it?
I disagree, at least I’d hope it does not…a given baby can be poorly for both of those reasons : having an infection and having been attacked. Let’s face it, they were all in that unit for a reason in the first place for various reasons.
Tbh he’s human too though, there’s bound to be illness reasons going round the court personnel too
- if it is that. Am sure we’re in for more missed court days. Especially if England play on sun-fridays 
.but it’s not in isolation. There’s 22 charges. The point is she’s done something to these babies to cause harm to them. Any prem baby is at high risk of infection and inflammatory markers can be raised due to stress or being touched etc. The pattern of harm js there aside from the other bits they may have had wrong with them. Remember we aren’t seeing all the evidence either
I would say a 1lb 2oz baby coming off a ventilator and breathing independent after only 1 week is pretty miraculous to be honest. And the fact she made it to 100 days with very little issues, I don’t see any obvious cause for deterioration at all except LL.
To people still saying it cats doubt and the nurse responsible could be still out there, like where are you thinking this from? This is a huge deeply researched and investigated case. It’s taken years and 3 arrests to get her charged. Probably a hundred statements and plenty of witnesses etc so it’s not like she was just on duty and the police have pinned it on Lucifer. I’m intrigued to hear the defence but people go to prison for a lot less than this case is so it genuinely baffles me that people still doubt the evidence reported. And for those thinking she’s just a scape goat for bad practice in the unit lol
Don’t make me laugh. As if that’s happening
Don’t make me laugh. As if that’s happening
amen to thisTo people still saying it cats doubt and the nurse responsible could be still out there, like where are you thinking this from? This is a huge deeply researched and investigated case. It’s taken years and 3 arrests to get her charged. Probably a hundred statements and plenty of witnesses etc so it’s not like she was just on duty and the police have pinned it on Lucifer. I’m intrigued to hear the defence but people go to prison for a lot less than this case is so it genuinely baffles me that people still doubt the evidence reported. And for those thinking she’s just a scape goat for bad practice in the unit lol
Don’t make me laugh. As if that’s happening
If i was to hazard a guess, i'd say you didnt work in health careTo people still saying it cats doubt and the nurse responsible could be still out there, like where are you thinking this from? This is a huge deeply researched and investigated case. It’s taken years and 3 arrests to get her charged. Probably a hundred statements and plenty of witnesses etc so it’s not like she was just on duty and the police have pinned it on Lucifer. I’m intrigued to hear the defence but people go to prison for a lot less than this case is so it genuinely baffles me that people still doubt the evidence reported. And for those thinking she’s just a scape goat for bad practice in the unit lol
Don’t make me laugh. As if that’s happening
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