Yeah and it’s winter as well, there’s so much stuff going round and I assume they’ve said if they’re ill they should say so they lose one or two days vs potentially a week or more if one tries to soldier through and infects the lot of them!
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Totally agree with you, I have a 7 year old and every time I read about this case and all the horrific details and then look at my child I just feel utterly sick to my stomach. Makes its all more real somehow because I can see right in front of me how those babies should be now. I really pity those jurors having to sit there and listen to everything day in day out.To be fair it must be so hard to be a juror in this case, imagine they have spent a nice weekend getting ready for Christmas, maybe have kids or grandchildren then have to come back in on Monday and have to listen to the horrific details.
These children in this case would have been about 7 and been looking forward to Christmas too
But someone denied them and their parents that ……
I agree. Of course, she knows why she searched the families but in terms of her defence, saying anything too 'taxing' could open a can of worms for her.
Either/or, it was always going to be used as evidence against her.
It sounds as if she was using Facebook a lot, she even sent a message about a patient to one of the doctors using the facebook messenger feature. It's something I can't really get my head around, tbh - I have a facebook account, but only so I can keep track of a couple of companies I use, I don't have any personal or family information on there but that's partly on account of a very persistent stalker who would have hoovered up any info I posted. Is it normal to look up people you barely know? I know some people are never off it, and it sounds to me like LL didn't have much of a social life
She messaged a Dr about a patient on Facebook!!?? Wtf!!? She's the same age as me, this is definitely weird. Why was she not reprimanded for that?? I know GDPR wasn't as big a thing back then but it would still have definitely been considered wildly unprofessional and inappropriate.
There was a big discussion about it on one of the early threads...quite a fair few admitted to being noisy themselves.
But...massive BUT...this was a nurse looking up the private life of a patient (family) and therefore it was highly unprofessional. That was never going to look good for her.
Messaging about a patient on social media...big no, no. Guilty or not. Personal devices can easily be accessable to others, if a phone is unlocked, stolen etc.
In my opinion, regardless of the verdict, 'invasion' of patients privacy (via personal devices) should be scrutinised across the board.
I remember being baffled when I first read that she had messaged the doctor on Facebook.. Maybe this shows how absorbed in the app she actually was?
I totally get that LL is the one on trial for this, and some of her actions have been mighty questionable - BUT - so have the others participating in that behaviour! So it's not just a one way street, that's what I just don't get about this case. Of course it's highly unprofessional to message a Dr about a patient on FB - but why didn't the Dr report this? Lots of things just feel 'off' about this case.
It looks like she is falsifying notes again. Trying to make it look like it was written by another nurse
Maybe staff did report things and it got brushed aside like the concerns made my consultants.
True, but it feels like there must have been a precedent set for that type of messaging to occur, does that make sense?
Yeah, I'd message my friends from work about work, but I wouldn't message someone I had no rapport with and wouldn't usually speak to. Sounds like it was the norm, well it clearly was if they messaged each other about whether or not they'd given meds or feeds
Yeh that's what I mean. I know LL is on trial etc etc, but the fact is that the Dr no doubt messaged back or at some point had set the baseline that messaging about patients on Facebook was ok. Nothing seems 'right' from the top down.Yeah, I'd message my friends from work about work, but I wouldn't message someone I had no rapport with and wouldn't usually speak to. Sounds like it was the norm, well it clearly was if they messaged each other about whether or not they'd given meds or feeds
Absolutely needs addressing across the board. There should never be a reason for any medical staff to be discussing patients on personal devices, especially not on social media.
I don’t get why she was on her phone so much at work. Surely she had better things to do other than scroll through her phone. Hardly professional.
Its perfectly natural to talk about work but it's one thing to say, for example, 'Patient XXX is doing my head in...keeps calling for a nurse'
To saying (and speculating), 'xxx in room xx, has symptoms xxx. I diagnose him with XXX and dr has prescribed xxx.'
To saying (and speculating), 'xxx in room xx, has symptoms xxx. I diagnose him with XXX and dr has prescribed xxx.'
I know - I could not believe it when I read it. Completely and utterly inappropriate, but I don't think any action was taken against her at the time, shockingly!
Well that's just as mental!! It is not that long ago, that kind of behaviour was never okay!!
One of mine was born during the time she was on the prowl. Mad to think these little babies should be his age now.
This is what I keep thinking, one of mine is likely the exact same age. Heartbreaking.
She ‘wasn’t sufficiently stimulated’ at work so had lots of free time on her hands.
Makes me wonder how stimulating she finds being locked up.
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Despite all the tragic deaths well outside the normal stats for a unit of the size that shook all her colleagues to their core! Mad to think she was still "bored" isn't it!!?
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