I didn’t know that! Makes sense, it’s sort of the age you start to become sure of yourself
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I didn’t know that! Makes sense, it’s sort of the age you start to become sure of yourselfI’ve been having moments of what if she is innocent but then I go back to the collapses always happening within minutes of her treating the babies.
I do this frequently....I would hate to be on the jury, but, as has been said so many times...we are only hearing snippets !
I think it’s natural to be like that especially at this point and with so many weeks left to go. I’m sure by the end of the trial your mind will be made up.
I don’t want to believe that there’s someone out there who’s capable of doing these awful things to babies in their care, but then my logical side is saying of course they can.
We read about child murderers all the time whether it be parents/caregivers, family members, people in the same community. The sad (and scary) reality is that we really don’t know what’s going on in someone else’s mind.
I don’t want to believe that there’s someone out there who’s capable of doing these awful things to babies in their care, but then my logical side is saying of course they can.
We read about child murderers all the time whether it be parents/caregivers, family members, people in the same community. The sad (and scary) reality is that we really don’t know what’s going on in someone else’s mind.
I don’t doubt in my mind that someone did it. I do not believe these deaths were natural or the cause of negligence. I do 100% believe that these deaths were murder.
At first I couldn’t say whether I totally believed it was her, but now im pretty sure. Even though we haven’t heard everything and obviously we haven’t heard the defence.
I just think there are too many coincidences for me, too much pointing to her and too many times were she’s injecting herself into the situation. Plus the random normal blood sugar level that happened to have been recorded by her. It’s too much for me.
if she is guilty as I think she is, I hope she rots. Anyone who could hurt these babies is vile and evil.
At first I couldn’t say whether I totally believed it was her, but now im pretty sure. Even though we haven’t heard everything and obviously we haven’t heard the defence.
I just think there are too many coincidences for me, too much pointing to her and too many times were she’s injecting herself into the situation. Plus the random normal blood sugar level that happened to have been recorded by her. It’s too much for me.
if she is guilty as I think she is, I hope she rots. Anyone who could hurt these babies is vile and evil.
Exactly....I've seen first hand in my previous role, the evil that is out there...."met" some very high profile offenders, convicted of the worse crimes imaginable.
I do think she's guilty, I'm just hoping, as I've said a few times that when the rest of the cases are heard there will be more proof, other than her just " being there"....controversial I know, but the jury have her fate in their hands and I don't envy them from what we've seen so far....but as I've said also, we haven't heard what they have!
It’s so sad as well because things this like really will cast doubts in people’s minds for a long time over whether medical professionals can be trusted.
the tiny lives doc is eye opening. These nurses & drs too are passionate about these babies. The nurses were calling themselves the babies “unofficial aunties” and they did take time to work out the best plan for the babies. You could see it was their mission to make these babies thrive and it is so shocking that someone could go into this job and do the opposite.
the tiny lives doc is eye opening. These nurses & drs too are passionate about these babies. The nurses were calling themselves the babies “unofficial aunties” and they did take time to work out the best plan for the babies. You could see it was their mission to make these babies thrive and it is so shocking that someone could go into this job and do the opposite.
I do this occasionally when I see photos of her. It isn’t because of what she looks like, but because of how she is acting in them like a normal girl in her 20’s doing normal things, socialising, working and living her life, smiling and happy. I try not to look at photos of her because for some reason they make me feel really uncomfortable. Like some sort of subconscious making me go hang on a minute. But then I go back to the evidence and I can’t see she is anything but guilty. Proper mind F*ck this trial !
If she is guilty then I really hope that the evidence is much more clear to the jury than it is to us.
I really thought that the child who's mother 'interrputed' an assault and the insulin poisonings were going to be the ones which made me think she was definitely guilty, but they haven't moved me off the fence. Not sure if that's because the evidence isn't strong enough or cos we aren't getting the full picture. Really interested to see how the defence manage when they get their turn.
I really thought that the child who's mother 'interrputed' an assault and the insulin poisonings were going to be the ones which made me think she was definitely guilty, but they haven't moved me off the fence. Not sure if that's because the evidence isn't strong enough or cos we aren't getting the full picture. Really interested to see how the defence manage when they get their turn.
I think it’s safe to say that wherever we’re at with this case personally, we all want answers and justice for the poor wee babies and their parents. I don’t know how they’re coping through all this, and I feel for them especially over the Christmas period which must be hard enough without knowing that this is still going to be hanging over them afterwards. 
I’m only catching up on thread now from Friday evening, so quite a lot of pages to get through, I’m very behind. Very interesting, thanks for this, will give it a read here shortly@OldBlondie sorry I’m not ignoring you.. I can’t remember much (Letby catchphrase soz) about Alitt’s defence and I’m not sure if that’s because I’m onto Harold now or because it wasn’t covered much. I can’t find anything much about it online. I suspect it was the same sort of thing and a how can you prove it was her if nobody saw her type situation
I did find this article I hadn’t read though from one of the nurses. Really startling how similar these cases are, really the main difference is that, more like Shipman’s victims - on the face of it they’re more expected to die, even though actually that was so far from the truth. Many of these babies had great outlooks and many of shipman’s little old ladies had actually been very active even on the day they died. I’m still surprised BA got away with as much as she did but when you read this it is so heartbreaking for the people that work amongst this awfulness. This poor lady had to emigrate to try and leave the past behind her and lives with guilt she shouldn’t do every day of her life. She briefly mentions the awful cross examination so I imagine similar stuff- making out they were all to blame with incompetence etc somehow.
Birmingham nurse recalls working with 'Angel Of Death' child killer Beverley Allitt
The Birmingham nurse who worked alongside ‘Angel of Death’ Beverley Allitt – Britain’s most prolific hospital killer – today opens her heart to the Sunday Mercury.www.birminghammail.co.uk
My guess is that LL was starting to try and throw suspicion.
Telling IMO that she waits a month before the next and doesn't risk insulin again until April.
- Child F wasn't designated to her, but was still in the same room where she was working giving ample opportunity.
- Knew enough background about child F to likely know that he'd previously required insulin (as she'd looked after both E and F the night before)
- Contaminate Child F's TPN bag.
- Recorded a false reading to make it look like he was getting better (likely thinking they'll decide there's contamination between her reading and the next one, which would fall on whichever colleague who did meds)
- Contaminate a stock bag as she's about to go into days off (was on nights, went to salsa the following night so obviously wasn't in, was back in on the 9th according to texts). Could be used on any baby, recreating the problem when she's not there.
- By chance, that bag was also used on Child F.
Telling IMO that she waits a month before the next and doesn't risk insulin again until April.
I agree with all of that, except for possibly the last point. I think she may well have known it’s F that would get the bag, as she was wanting sooooooo many updates about him specifically. And was texting the colleague about him saying what his sugar levels were as soon as she went off nightshift.
And I think it was just that one original first bag that was contaminated, I’m not sure about a second bag being given at all, but hopefully that bit will be cleared up tomorrow for sure though. But all the rest I agree 110% with
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On my ward TPN is all bespoke and comes up every evening 7pm so if we had a problem with a bag we would have to wait until 7pm for new bag and they would have to go on iv fluids in the meantime so slightly different
Sometimes people forget to get tpn out of the fridge and with a lot of cuddling a bag and wrapping in towels etc it can warm up quicker. The smaller the bag the quicker it warms up so i imagine the neonatal bags are quite small and warm up quicker few hours at the most
We would always change the lines there is no way you would just change over a tpn bag without changing the lines it’s such bad practice I just can’t imagine anyone would do that
Thanks for that! Would you be able to give colder through a peripheral line? They've confirmed a stock of 5 TPNs all the time although I imagine they need them regularly with neonates.
there has been a lot of bad practice shown since the trial started, honestly I wouldn’t even be surprised.
Yes thank you for that ! I’ve wanted that question answered all weekend.
Yes it will be, they'll recieve much more comprehensive evidence and also having the supporting evidence etc on ipads all collated makes the world of difference I expect. Still not easy for them no doubt, but when the press can only report on certain things and the back and forth between babies it's impossible really to follow at times. Myers might have also asked more during the statements people made that wasn't allowed to be reported.
There are heavy reporting restrictions all over this case quite rightly …. It simply cannot go wrong. It would take less than 5-10 mins to read through the journalists tweets / CS updates at the end of the court day. They are there 6 hours a day, day in day out.
Let's hope for a bit more clarity this week.
I must admit I'm a little apprehensive about following this case as it continues as I know it gets worse (if that's even possible)
Praying for justice and answers for the babies and their families.
I must admit I'm a little apprehensive about following this case as it continues as I know it gets worse (if that's even possible
)Praying for justice and answers for the babies and their families.
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