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Lucy Letby Case #17
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This sums up today pretty much, makes it clear it couldn’t have been a mistake, had to be synthetic insulin, no one at that time on unit including F was prescribed insulin, they (medics) would never have thought someone would have deliberately poisoned a baby with insulin, but someone indeed did:
Link to full report: https://www.itv.com/news/granada/20...e-of-insulin-found-in-baby-allegedly-poisoned
Link to full report: https://www.itv.com/news/granada/20...e-of-insulin-found-in-baby-allegedly-poisoned
Can any medical people help to clarify - the level of insulin in baby F was 4,657, and in the case of one of Beverly Allitts victims, it was recorded as 43,147 (and said to be a full adult syringe).
What volume of insulin would be needed to get a reading of the lower level? What syringe sizes/vial sizes does insulin come in?
What volume of insulin would be needed to get a reading of the lower level? What syringe sizes/vial sizes does insulin come in?
So Facebook people are saying it is foul play but not Lucy . A nurse has mixed it up but not Lucy .
seems it’s everybody else’s fault but Lucy
let’s just say she didn’t kill the babies then why are people blaming everybody else but Lucy ?
seems it’s everybody else’s fault but Lucy
let’s just say she didn’t kill the babies then why are people blaming everybody else but Lucy ?
This is why the Facebook lot are so bizarre. If you want to say "it could have been someone else" then fair enough, but "it had to be someone else it can't have been Lucy" - why not? What insider info do you have that exonerates her? Maybe pass it over to her defence....So Facebook people are saying it is foul play but not Lucy . A nurse has mixed it up but not Lucy .
seems it’s everybody else’s fault but Lucy
let’s just say she didn’t kill the babies then why are people blaming everybody else but Lucy ?
They're f*cking bonkers, like this wasn't a consideration at the very outset of the investigation....seriously they boil my piss!So Facebook people are saying it is foul play but not Lucy . A nurse has mixed it up but not Lucy .
seems it’s everybody else’s fault but Lucy
let’s just say she didn’t kill the babies then why are people blaming everybody else but Lucy ?
There's an apparent very highly qualified and seemingly knowledgeable nicu nurse on there defending her to the hilt too...
I mean at the start of the investigation they wouldn’t pick Lucy it would have taken a long time for them to see she was only one at the collapses and things stopped when she was on admin etc .They're f*cking bonkers, like this wasn't a consideration at the very outset of the investigation....seriously they boil my piss!
There's an apparent very highly qualified and seemingly knowledgeable nicu nurse on there defending her to the hilt too...
im not an expert, and I struggled to wrap my head around this but I posted a possible theory on this yesterday. I’ll find it and share my thoughts with you.
found it these were my musings from yesterday.
“The part I was struggling to understand though, was the difference between one of BAs victims insulin levels and baby F’s. BA’s victims levels were in the tens of thousands but baby F’s were in the thousands (still high but comparably much much lower). So if you compare them perhaps there is some sort of doubt, BA’s victim there was no doubt. I was scratching my head about it tbh. I know Letby could have given the most tiny amount but it still didn’t make much sense to me. Why would she ? If she wanted to murder baby F. However, we know that insulin has a short detection life and is broken down by the liver quite quickly. BA’s victim was administered an adult syringe full all at once! Letbys alleged victim was drip fed the insulin over a prolonged period of time. So I am thinking because baby F wasn’t given insulin in one single shot the levels wouldn’t be comparable to BA’s victim. Very clever really if is she indeed guilty.”
the number of units aren’t relevant here ie not like saying she gave 10mg diamorphine.
insulin is either rapid acting or long acting in general. Diabetics get more specific. Neonatal units will only need to stock the rapid acting. This is the same type of insulin that diabetics tend to have with meals as it has a quick onset of action (and a quick clearance). Dose is very much trial and error for diabetics along with the specialist nurses. When it’s required in acute care such as here, you start with the lowest reasonable dose - neonates/children often calculate per kg for everything in medicine. The context around asking dr gibbs about the insulin that was given is clear - it was prescribed, jt was signed for, baby was given further doses of insulin and/or dextrose were given depending on the repeated feedback from testing their blood sugar at the bedside - because it is so rapid acting, you can stabilise things in only a few hours usually. This level of care for something such as insulin is why these patients have 1:1 nursing though. It’s constant monitoring. Insulin is incredibly dangerous.
The level in the blood is not something that has a meaning to me, sorry. What was overwhelming was the ratio of insulin and cpeptide. When the baby wasn’t responding to treatment with the incident once the tpn was started, the bloods sent to the specialist hospital showed that the baby had been exposed to so much insulin that their body had stopped producing insulin entirely in order to try to stay alive as part of the feedback from recognising their own sugars were low. Keep in mind that by this time, baby had repeated infusions of glucose and dextrose at this point - and they had basically no trace of their own insulin that was detectable. No one can ever say how much was in there. It’s the gravity of how that babies body was trying to survive at that time of the blood test; and then the (thankfully) rapid improvement again afterwards. The NICU team saved this babies life from one of their own. It’s unbelievable.
I am surprised that the insulin levels weren’t investigated given that they were ‘on a bad run’ with the amount of deaths and collapses there has been within a couple of months. Nurses were already commenting it was odd so I would be interested to know what was said once the levels came back unless the nurses weren’t made aware.
I also wonder if Lucy’s texts at Salsa was her waiting for news of his collapse.
I also wonder if Lucy’s texts at Salsa was her waiting for news of his collapse.
Yes I think the salsa texts were exactly that.
I’d also like to know if she was texting for updates for other babies or just the ones she’s accused of harming.
She wasn’t interested when her designated baby needed closer observations during Baby Cs collapses.
She wasn’t interested when her designated baby needed closer observations during Baby Cs collapses.
I have to agree. IMO she was wanting to be with people when the bad news came in. She wanted to know desperately what was happening with baby F because usually she has a front row seat to the chaos she causes and I think it was hard for her not to have that with this method but she knew she couldn’t kill the twins in the same way. The fact the dose next time is larger still is very telling. Why was he such a worry to her and the “oh dear” comment when she wasn’t even there and was receiving relatively good news about him. I’ll be interested to see her reaction to the other insulin poisoned baby.
Group I'm on are adamant its all down to bad hospital practices and negligence across the trust, not LL. After today, I'm struggling to see how anyone can think this baby at least, was not intentional?
I can honestly say I have never text any collegues after work the amount she does that is about work .
we talk about other stuff like an event one of us is attending or a work party coming up or just a general how’s things are you on shift with me tomorrow .
her texts are always work related she’s obsessed and it’s chilling when you read them now knowing she could have killed those babies . I bet her work friends kick themselves that they missed the signs looking back they probably do think it’s odd . They already was saying she had a bad run and we ain’t even on the last child we have 10 more to go. She was definitely wanting updates on baby F .
we talk about other stuff like an event one of us is attending or a work party coming up or just a general how’s things are you on shift with me tomorrow .
her texts are always work related she’s obsessed and it’s chilling when you read them now knowing she could have killed those babies . I bet her work friends kick themselves that they missed the signs looking back they probably do think it’s odd . They already was saying she had a bad run and we ain’t even on the last child we have 10 more to go. She was definitely wanting updates on baby F .
Exactly she comes across in the texts like she is upset over the babies or wanting to see how they are doing . But she left her own designated child even the nurse higher than her told her off over it so she clearly wasn’t just a nice nurse who really cared for her patients .
This has been suggested a few times, I fully agree. She was sitting waiting on updates
One of the most chilling things I’ve read today
Was with my close nurse friend today and apart from saying she was shattered that was as much work chat as she was after. I didn’t text my colleagues about the children I worked with constantly if much at all and I was having to do work at home all the time! They are often telling her to switch offI can honestly say I have never text any collegues after work the amount she does that is about work .
we talk about other stuff like an event one of us is attending or a work party coming up or just a general how’s things are you on shift with me tomorrow .
her texts are always work related she’s obsessed and it’s chilling when you read them now knowing she could have killed those babies . I bet her work friends kick themselves that they missed the signs looking back they probably do think it’s odd . They already was saying she had a bad run and we ain’t even on the last child we have 10 more to go. She was definitely wanting updates on baby F .
Exactly she comes across in the texts like she is upset over the babies or wanting to see how they are doing . But she left her own designated child even the nurse higher than her told her off over it so she clearly wasn’t just a nice nurse who really cared for her patients .
yes I bet a whole new light for them now.I’m pretty sure there was some texting with the other insulin baby, and I’m sure there was texting with other babies too. There’s a couple coming up that weren’t her designated babies but she was in meddling again with them
I think she said oh dear in reference to his levels being 1.9
Oh dear, what a comment for a baby that’s improving, that anyone else would be delighted to hear is improving. Ugh she’s honestly so sick. When you actually sit and think of it like that
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