It's really solidified it for me. Nail in the coffin, she's guilty and I hope she gets sentenced as such.I’m sorry but I really don’t know how the defence can offer anything here after reading the mum’s account. I’m actually heartbroken
I was already camp guilty & I knew these later babies would just confirm it for me but I didn’t realise how powerful hearing from the mum would be. They were so so close to getting away
When I and other nurses I work with hand over to the next shift that things are "quiet" we have meant that everything is ticking along as it should be, with no unusual events or major incidents. So on a MH ward, noone tried to self harm, batter anyone with a pool cue, noone needed restraining, and the Dr actually turned up and did all we needed them to do before sodding off for the day. It's still busy, it's just that it's comparatively quiet because the shit hasn't hit the fan.
Aww please do say your thoughts. I can't speak for anyone else but I think it's interesting to hear from people with a different view. Otherwise this stops being a discussion thread and just becomes an agreeing thread. Which would be a bit pointless really, in my eyes anyway. I hope your feet are toastie in their sleeping bag, where they have every right to be
I got a notification that my last post was quoted, so I have read that and the posts since. Maybe I should explain what I mean a bit more about the one-sidedness just so it's clear.
Comments wanting a person who is currently believing NG to provide evidence as to their thoughts are unfair (at this point in time). The prosecution are presenting their case. How can those who may still think NG present evidence of it when the defence haven't started to provide their evidence yet? It's ok for people to feel unconvinced by the prosecution without being able to give a detailed explanation why. Even gut instinct should be enough at this point - unless posters are wanting threads to have higher standards than courts. Cases are for the prosecution to prove, after all, not for the defence to prove. There should, after all be a starting point of a presumption of innocence.
It's interesting that those with a medical or legal background are more likely to be the ones on the fence or erring towards not guilty. A comment towards one ex nurse that "hopefully" their opinion towards guilty would be crystallised when they heard further evidence, was obvious in its desire to ensure that person kept believing LL is guilty. That ISN'T respectful of that person's opinion, despite the ex nurse MORE than being able to justify their point, using facts.
People are also disputing WHAT the defence should have done in a certain situation, despite clarification by lawyers. There are lots of "well I think" comments when that happens, despite zero evidence to back those comments up, and facts presented by lawyers are overlooked because they don't fit the person's narrative. So it's hypocritical to want facts based conversation one way, to then ignore that when it suits.
So, while I think LL is absolutely guilty as hell, given I am not in charge of this or any thread, I would be wrong to try to tell people who think otherwise, what they are allowed to post, and that their posts must always stand up to factual scrutiny, when there have been piles of medical, nursing procedure and legal comments made by people who believe LL is guilty, that in no way amount to anything more than "I think" or are actually totally wrong. It's hypocrisy to accept this from one side yet condemn the other for doing it.
I hope that clears it up. It's not intended to have a go at any one person. It's simply that if I can see this as a person who thinks LL is guilty, how must those who aren't yet convinced feel? Or does noone care that lots of those on the fence or currently not guilty, seem to have stopped posting?
I feel like at this point Lucy had just completely lost the run of herself. She had no control over her compulsions any more.
I think Prof Arthur’s evidence has been incredibly strong, and this is why Dewi Fella said he’d rather defer that particular bit to the radiologist. I think he was excellent at disagreeing with BM theory on bowel blockage as he states clearly there was no medical sign of this, and more importantly it would have been found during PM and it definitely wasn’t. I also think Dr Bohin has been fantastic this morning, she’s acknowledged all the problems within the hospital, acknowledged that D should have been given antibiotics sooner etc BUT has then gone on to explain why they alone could not be responsible for the sudden and unexpected collapses. I think she’s a very strong witness for prosecution, certainly for D anyway. I think the pathologist will be just confirming what Prof Arthur’s, has already said on the defence’s theory of blockage in C being cause of death, there was no sign of this in PM
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the mother in the evidence earlier seemed surprised by the memory box she received! Any one else notice this? Or have I got it wrong ?
You've just reminded me of a patient I once had to assess! Their family member had died, and they were so distraught that the called us over to see her. She was convinced that she had killed the family member, she wanted us to call the police. Her ramblings weren't far off what LL's note said, she hadn't slept the 2 weeks her family member had been in hospital and prior to that had been a full time carer. She recalled one specific incident which she used to explain herself. Turns out they were a bit of a worrier, an anxious person which doesn't necessarily lead to a diagnosis of anxiety. Anxious people can often seek lots of validation and support too.So my cat got hit by a car (we think) but earlier on that day I had to clean her paws cause neighbour had painted their window sils & my nosy dickhead cat had walked on it, after she was cleaned up she sulked & went out to play nothing wrong with her. The little bugger returned home later limping. I second guessed myself & was thinking fuck was me cleaning her paws the cause of said limp? I didn’t protest I DID this, it was a fleeting thought & confirmed by the vet my mani/pedi skills on the cat were not the cause.
What I’m getting at is sure there was a moment where I thought oh man have I fucked up even if I had good intentions?
Perhaps if we find out more about her mental health/personality it may help more? Is it called catastrophising? It’s been years since CBTI know my example is way different but similar thought process. I dunno im chatting shit now. FYI - the cat is fine now apart from being a fluffy meowing shit bag.
They’d have to believe the mother did not attend a scheduled feed too. Did that mother sound like she would have gone an hour late? She sounded completely besotted
she should have had that happiness 