Sometimes poor care does lead to stillbirths though unfortunately. No idea of course if it's the case here but not listening to women regarding reduced movements etc means often the signs and the chance to take action to save the baby is missed (other scenarios also happen but just one).
Why would they make that up? Maybe more unwell is the wrong phrase.. he was presenting with new and concerning symptoms that the senior wanted Letby to be more vigilant with. She asked her to increase obs and get a doctor in to review him- the latter part is recorded in notes so def happened. They were discussing transfer because he was on the cusp of the weight limit but it was a joint decision with the other hospital that keeping him there would be less risky and stressful. I imagine the other hospital used all their info about baby C to come to that decision. What I’m gathering from their evidence is that whether these babies are poorly or not or high risk - these crashes are not only sudden and unexpected but unusual in how they play out. It sounds like everybody got to baby C very quickly - I mean Letby was there herself (
) I don’t understand why staff shortages would cause very sudden cardiac arrest in this baby or make him unable to be resuscitated.See this, along with leaving her own patient and being told to leave the parents repeatedly is really quite concerning to me.
They did explain this, that had it been to do with an infection the baby would have showed signs of deterioration and not suddenly collapsed . All drs, nurses, experts have stated the same so I’m inclined to say that this is accurate.
I agree, I think child c’s case came later. I think what made them take another look was letbys messages and her behaviour. I still say she did it but whether they have enough to prove she did is another matter.
I’ve read all of your posts across these threads and I just wanted to say even through this forum I can tell you must of been the most kind and compassionate professional nurse. You can honestly feel how kind and caring you are through my phone! Your children and grandchildren are very luckyPart of me wants to bow out of following this case so closely, but as a nurse, a mum and now a grandma of a beautiful boy I just can't...I want to believe that another "Beverly Allit" doesn't exist, that a person, part of my profession, who is entrusted with the lives of these tiny babies would not have it in them to do this
As a parent and grandma I can't imagine the pain the families continue to go through
I am just compelled to stay for the long haul and see it through to the end
I'm sure many of us feel this way? Unlike certain FB groups we can all contribute our thoughts and opinions and be respectful of each other!
Not sure what my point is really...other than it's going to get more distressing as the trial moves on and I was thinking, as I say, of bowing out, but I just can't.
If everyone’s views should be respected can you maybe stop claiming people are making excuses for her? That’s not what is happening at all- we’re all (normally) having polite discussions about the different aspects to this case.This absolutely this. I couldn’t have said it better myself. How many excuses have to be made. I know a lot of people don’t want her to be guilty and why, but seriously some of the excuses being used are a bit ridiculous. And she does not appear to be a particularly good nurse under scrutiny, but that can’t be said either it’s all just more excuses. I also don’t mean to cause any dramas by saying that, and it is not aimed at anyone. But continuous excuses for all her behaviour is just strange to keep hearing. Again it’s mad the difference of opinion on here, hope the jury aren’t like any of usLuckily they hear and see far more than we do, so do understand a lot of people are interpreting the select bits we are told in different ways, and everyone’s views should be respected
I agree. I know loads of people have different views on it, but I don’t see how it can be meant any other way when she says “I killed them on purpose”. She sounds like an angry bitter child with that writing.
