Lucy Letby Case #12

[OldBlondie]

I do see her doing this, I do believe the mother is correct BUT we need another form of verification really.
My gut tells me the mother is correct and that Letby was there and she was AGAIN being a pain in the hole.

Yep the more we hear, the more we can see she was a pain in the hole and intruding with parents, think we will continue to see this. I’d completely forgotten about the sympathy card on her phone, and her strange comments smiling about bathing the baby, just after the baby had died. I think we will find her being inappropriate (at the very least) with nearly all the families in this trial also the hand over notes found at her home, I know this has been discussed and many nurses have accidentally took stuff home, but when you look at it overall with her obsessive ways, to me it’s just sinister

 

[Weeder]

I don't think anyone should do clinical duties without a hand over. It's poor practice if she has.. Or any of them for that matter

 

[I’mThankyou_]

See I was always at work mega early to get a half decent car parking spot, we only have limited staff parking at our trust not a chance was I parking at the back of the car park, or worse paying to park in the paitent car park
So I'd arrive too early and I'd end up being sat in the office waiting for everyone else to arrive

 

[od12839]

Mother says she saw her, defence says she didn't. Either the mother is confused or Lucy turned up early, both extremely believable and straightforward scenarios.

Unless either side has proof then I really don't see why this has even been brought up. If the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt" then this is worthless.

 

[cakefood]

also was told to be quiet giving birth with my 2nd! Midwife said it wasn't productive I tell you, it felt productive as my waters hadn't gone and it was like pushing a rubber balloon out

I was also left with bits of placenta rotting away in my uterus, that I only came aware of 10 days later when I began passing massive clots. I thought they'd put me under or do a spinal block or something to remove it but no. A midwife pressed down on my uterus and a dr with a speculum and implements pulled it out by hand. Never felt so violated. Some kind of medieval torture. Sadly not uncommon either. Why do we put up with it?

On the note of hospitals and remembering nurses, I wouldn't be able to recall individuals from singular stays myself, although would recognise the staff over more frequent/longer periods of admissions. (We're in the double digits of stays as both my children are asthmatic and we have been through some very rough patches with them).

 

[OldBlondie]

Mother says she saw her, defence says she didn't. Either the mother is confused or Lucy turned up early, both extremely believable and straightforward scenarios.

Unless either side has proof then I really don't see why this has even been brought up. If the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt" then this is worthless.

I agree, I don’t think we will ever find out, cos can’t be disproved or confirmed either way, guess it’s just another thing for jury to consider as part of overall pattern of her inappropriate behaviour round the families

 

[PenelopeTitsDrop]

haha I know it does my head in when youre on the day shift and night nurse is buzzing around in the way. Shifts are long enough without adding an extra hour to them out of choice

Yeah, it only works when you do a mini handover with a day/night staff colleague and then get them to go home early, and put their feet up with the telly on. I'd do extra work for a mate, but not if a colleague wasnt benefitting.

Edited to say: I think it depends on your specialism. Mine was a relatively long stay mental health ward so infrequent admissions and discharges and not that much to hand over. In a NICU or any "normal" ward, nope! No way would I take any chances there. Waaaaay to dangerous not to do a proper handover.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

On the note of hospitals and rememberimg nurses, I wouldn't be able to recall individuals from singular stays myself, although would recognise the staff over more frequent/longer periods of admissions. (We're in the double digits of stays as both my children are asthmatic and we have been through some very rough patches with them).

I'd remember the staff who pissed me off or said something inappropriate though!! I have a particular one in mind

I love staff/nurses telling us all to be quite!!! Has more to do with them than us anyway.... although I remember them being worried I was scaring the other mothers

 

[Faith61]

Especially odd to be there when baby D wasn’t even her patient although if she had come in that early she probably wouldn’t have known at that point which patient she was looking after that night, would be interested to hear from her colleagues on the day shift if she regularly came in early and went through all that days patients perhaps picking out the ones she deemed more vulnerable

The text she sent to one of her colleagues re the baby with mild haemophilia and that she had just googled it creeped me out...I don't know why....but it did....I know you would Google it if didn't know much about it....but it just seems odd...like it was giving her an unhealthy excitement.....at this point I'm questioning myself ....am I reading too much into her texts .....but I can't shake it off

 

[starshine89]

The text she sent to kne of her colleagues re the baby with mild haemophilia amd that she had just googled it creeped me out...I don't know why....but it did....I know you would Google it if didn't know much about it....but it just seems odd...like it was giving her an unhealthy excitement.....at this point I'm questioning myself ....am I reading too much into her texts .....but I can't shake it off

I don’t see anything odd with that I think if it’s a unusual condition you haven’t come across before most normal response is to Google it

 

[PatienceImpatient]

Not caught up on the threads today but Child D was a great weight at birth. I wonder what route Myers will take with this one considering he weighed so heavily on the last baby being only 800g.

 

[Faith61]

I don’t see anything odd with that I think if it’s a unusual condition you haven’t come across before most normal response is to Google it

Yes that's what I mean...I've said you would Google it....just some of her conversations I find strange/concerning
I said it in the context of her " potentially" seeking out more vulnerable babies....and as I say maybe I'm reading too much into her conversations right now

 

[Tofino]

Not caught up on the threads today but Child D was a great weight at birth. I wonder what route Myers will take with this one considering he weighed so heavily on the last baby being only 800g.

He’s still going for poor care, this is from his opening statement

 

[Former_Antelopee]

I don’t see anything odd with that I think if it’s a unusual condition you haven’t come across before most normal response is to Google it

I think this as well and also saying to her colleague she googled it doesn’t anything to me either. She may have said that she googled it to the colleague thinking maybe the colleague may give her some about it?

 

[MmmB777]

Personally I feel the mother will be right in saying it was Letby, time factor may be out slightly but wouldn’t matter too much for me. I know that’s not a shock to anyone The way I see it, the mother has absolutely nothing to gain from giving her account. I appreciate that it won’t be conclusive to others, possibly not the jury either because she could be mistaken but my opinion is she wouldn’t be. I just feel she’s described at such length how dismal her care was on loads of fronts, I don’t think she’s biased to say the death wasn’t somehow the result of the hospital’s care- I bet she thought it was for a long long time. I just feel she wouldn’t say that lightly or be persuaded to think it was her, she will have never in her wildest dreams thought her baby had been murdered and you wouldn’t make up or misremember that part unless you felt strongly it happened. I would be more likely to be in denial I think.

 

[cakefood]

I'd remember the staff who pissed me off or said something inappropriate though!! I have a particular one in mind

I love staff/nurses telling us all to be quite!!! Has more to do with them than us anyway.... although I remember them being worried I was scaring the other mothers

true.

was that you? i remember going for a scan and hearing a woman wailing from the floor above me and my husband like wtf are we doing.

 

[Former_Antelopee]

Could they not see what time the mother entered? Would whoever took them there not have swiped in?

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

true.

was that you? i remember going for a scan and hearing a woman wailing from the floor above me and my husband like wtf are we doing.

Yeah, soz!!

 

[OldBlondie]

The text she sent to kne of her colleagues re the baby with mild haemophilia amd that she had just googled it creeped me out...I don't know why....but it did....I know you would Google it if didn't know much about it....but it just seems odd...like it was giving her an unhealthy excitement.....at this point I'm questioning myself ....am I reading too much into her texts .....but I can't shake it off

Yes it’s like the colleague texting LL about how odd babies a,b,c,d were and all possibly being the same (collapses and deaths being similar), and LL was ready with a reply what was wrong with them (blood condition, small in womb and too early, and septic) and that’s why they were all “different”. Well could it be that’s why she picked these babies knowing that the problems they had would be the perfect cover for what she would do to them. It’s so awful to think this. This is why I really want to hear prosecution’s alleged motive, like why would someone do this

Personally I feel the mother will be right in saying it was Letby, time factor may be out slightly but wouldn’t matter too much for me. I know that’s not a shock to anyone The way I see it, the mother has absolutely nothing to gain from giving her account. I appreciate that it won’t be conclusive to others, possibly not the jury either because she could be mistaken but my opinion is she wouldn’t be. I just feel she’s described at such length how dismal her care was on loads of fronts, I don’t think she’s biased to say the death wasn’t somehow the result of the hospital’s care- I bet she thought it was for a long long time. I just feel she wouldn’t say that lightly or be persuaded to think it was her, she will have never in her wildest dreams thought her baby had been murdered and you wouldn’t make up or misremember that part unless you felt strongly it happened. I would be more likely to be in denial I think.

Bit more detail in mark’s round up from this morning, just makes which ever nurse it is look unprofessional and unwanted and not giving them the privacy they expected

 

[avabella]

Honestly starting to wonder if I'm a bit of a weird one too

I've read so many comments about how LL 'comes across' based on a few texts and some shift pattern data. I literally have no idea how some of the reaches get to that point. So she arrived early for some shifts? And what? Maybe as others said, sleeping during the day is not easy and so you pop off to work a bit earlier rather than sit and watch telly and potentially get tired again.

She was 'hanging around' parents. Ok, but what if she just f' offed and didn't interact with parents at all? Then there would be claims that she was cold hearted and didn't have people skills.

I couldn't honestly say that anything we've heard strikes me as being particularly weird, obsessive, 'out there' or rude really.

Maybe it's me?