@MattHall thank you for coming on here to explain your association with the twins. Without a doubt you were manipulated and even groomed to some extent.
However this thread is to hopefully help others fall victim to their scams, by being available on a search to do some type of due diligence before parting with hard earned money. You have been mentioned here before you left Llewy.
Once you left you continued to talk his talk, in the shouty sweary twins way, even down to posting lives whilst driving! That’s illegal in itself, doubt you’d have to research that…but you continued to do it with no regards to anyone else’s safety on the road. God forbid you’d had an accident And killed an innocent person.
You also span the advice Llewy gave to you regarding cutting off dead wood and toxic people even if they were family members. This is what happened to the son of your client that you referred to in your first message, making that individual very isolated. That person came on here for advice and support, which us Tattlers we’re here for.
I do appreciate your honesty, I just wish you’d first of all done your own due diligence, been as open as you are a lot earlier on when you went on your own and stop the video whilst driving!
Thank you for being fair with your response. I really appreciate that.
And I take all of what you have said above and I admit my mistakes that you have highlighte
You are right.
I do not deny that I was very “shouty” and “sweary” in my social media videos…even after parting ways.
Some of this was because I resonated with that style of coaching myself.
Some of it was simply because I do swear quite a lot naturally (sorry). Some of it was because I know it helps people get results when they need that kick up the arse. And some of it was simply because I‘d been told to communicate that way for so long it had now just become a habit.
One that has now massively been broken and I’ve moved on from.
This point being raised has just reminded me of another example where I remember Llewelyn phoning me after I’d done a live video.
He shouted at me down the phone saying that he watched it and needed to tell me I’m still being “too nice”.
He said he can clearly see I just want to be liked by people and I needed to “man up” and be much tougher. “Leaders lead”.
He also went on to tell me that he needs to see me act more than just confident now… if I genuinely want to be a successful businessman, he said I have to become arrogant.
Obviously I was conflicted at the time with what he was telling me….but now I’m under no illusion that it is all just complete bullshit. And terrible advice!
I would do my “Version” of what he asked online just to appease him enough but I would NEVER talk to my clients like that (or like he talked to me).
He also knew I had some insecurities in a previous relationship as an ex-girlfriend that I’d recently split from had previously dated a very wealthy business owner who was worth approx £80 Million and was the owner of a very well known brand.
I’d openly told him I’d always had a lot of insecurities in our relationship as a result of thinking that she wanted him more than me. Those insecurities played a big part in us eventually splitting up.
Llewellyn knew that story and knew it was a sore subject for me as I had told him in a session when I was upset about it early on.
He would then often use that against me to say “He would not act like you're doing. He conducts himself like a successful person and that’s why she wanted him and not you. He is a proper man”.
Just all stuff I took at the time and sort of half believed to be true… but now I see it for exactly what it was.
A narcissistic, manipulative, bullying, lying, deeply disturbed and horrible man.
Yes I hold my hands up to making content while I was driving. That is totally wrong, illegal and a very bad decision on my behalf.
I fully knew it was wrong and should have never done that. Again this is something with time that I’ve reflected on and I no longer do.
In reference to the client whose son came on here, again that was a complex and delicate home life situation that I will never disclose details on here because it’s confidential and I would never do that to a client.
But again all I can say about that is there’s two sides to every story.
Equally if the son was genuinely feeling Isolated and needed some advice and support, I’m pleased to hear that he got it. I have no ill feelings towards him or his family in anyway. I honestly hope they’re all doing well and any issues amongst them have been resolved.
And yes now, with hindsight, I totally agree with you. I too wish I’d have done my due diligence and had the courage to speak out in depth much sooner.
I’ve certainly been ignorant, naive and misguided at multiple points regarding this situation. I don’t deny that. But I do regret it.
As much respect as I’m giving you for coming on here and sharing your side of the story, nothing has been taken out of context? I quoted your exact words - hardly “clutching at straws” when I’m not trying to disprove you, I’m genuinely asking questions which you invited us to do.
As I said, I’m actually giving you a lot of admiration for coming on here as I understand about manipulation, and the fear involved. But I am finding your replies a little patronising if I’m honest.
Ok I apologise. I maybe mistook the tone of your message and I’m sorry if I did or if I seemed patronising. I guess this is partly why it’s sometimes difficult communicating only by written text as it can be misinterpreted.
I thought you were being pedantic because I just because I used the word “research” when I thought clearly the point I was making was just that simply aside from working with the twins I worked with and researched other people too. And that was the reason I thought it was “clutching at straws”.
And hopefully I’ve now explained why I also thought it was a little out of turn to even think that just because I invest in myself and give back more to my Clients that it makes it all an MLM scam. But obviously I’ve already explained that now.
Again sorry if I seemed patronising and thank you for hearing me out. I do appreciate it. And I welcome genuine questions if I can shed more light that is helpful.