It was going to be pursued though the courts, which ironically is what she couldn’t cope with and did not want. She took her own life before she could have cleared up any confusion and had her say. If I was truly innocent and it was all a misunderstanding then I would have held on day and night and counted down the hours until I could have my say. She feared going to trial, and took her own life after learning it would be going ahead. That personally leads me to believe there were things she was not comfortable with coming into the public domain. Unflattering things. But that’s just my view on it all. It’s not as if she was silenced. She was going to have her say, she just took her own life before that day came. But yeah ultimately i agree that the whole thing should have been kept out of the papers until a verdict was formed and I don’t agree with how the press handled the whole thing but until legislation changes there’s not much that can be done there. A paper never refuses ink.
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does anyone know anything more about Lottie? seems so odd to date your friend's ex when friend was 20 years older than you!
I think you need to get off your high horse when all you are reading is an inquest report which did discuss Andrew’s abuse. The police have not confirmed anything that happened on the night so you are in fact believing the tabloids ! The inquest (the facts you say you believed) did say that the police went beyond what was necessary !
as I know both people involved here and heard everything from the horses mouth what you have written about is bull.
as for the lamp. It’s actually something a lot of people know, her management and press included.
It reminds me a bit of Britney Spears episodes years ago. The tabloids and a lot of public revelled in their failing mental state. I also think if a man was publically having a breakdown, there would be pity for him. A few months ago, I had a bit of a breakdown, and some of my work colleagues actually seemed to enjoy watching me suffer. They are still trying to undermine me now.
Ah Jesus, me get off my high horse?
look you’re clearly bias here and have a very skewed perception of what went on as you seem to know the family/friends.And why in gods name would the lamp Andrew sent be in the court reports?! That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she assaulted Lewis, which is what she was being charged for. “All you’re reading is the inquest report”.. yes.. the stuff that actually matters. Not made up jargon from an anonymous account on tattle. That and the court reports have all the relevant information in them and anyone with a balanced perception can agree that CPS were right to pursue charges based on what happened that night. Everything that happened after that with alleged lamps being sent is irrelevant and hear say. Like you’re shaming people for believing tabloids (which I don’t) but yet you’re on here on tattle writing waffle expecting to be believed.
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For me people comment on her making choices based on someone of sound mind. Putting the pieces together it seemed as though she was having a serious mental health breakdown for a long time. Something similar happened to someone I’m very close to and they made all sorts of decisions when they were ill they never would if they were well including relationship choices. Some of the things they did they don’t even remember now. I don’t know what was true but I know as I work in criminal law you can’t upturn tables in a police station they’re all nailed to the floor as are the chairs so if that’s wrong lots of it could be. I don’t want to judge someone’s last actions that were in a middle of a breakdown to be who they were, as I know if I did that to the person I’m close to they’d be so upset as they’re now better and trying to move past things they did when they were ill. It’s hard to explain if you’ve never seen it but they thought I was filming them, that people were bugged, that they were invincible and walked in front of cars... however now they are someone at the top of the game in their career having clawed back their respect and health. The key difference with who I know is that we knew how to get someone sectioned and we did that as soon as we could and it saved their life.
Read the report again. As Already mentioned above, it refers to Caroline being harassed by someone. The lamp itself isn’t mentioned but now we know about the lamp and letter it’s pretty obvious who it wasAh Jesus, me get off my high horse?
And why in gods name would the lamp Andrew sent be in the court reports?! That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she assaulted Lewis, which is what she was being charged for. “All you’re reading is the inquest report”.. yes.. the stuff that actually matters. Not made up jargon from an anonymous account on tattle. That and the court reports have all the relevant information in them and anyone with a balanced perception can agree that CPS were right to pursue charges based on what happened that night. Everything that happened after that with alleged lamps being sent is irrelevant and hear say. Like you’re shaming people for believing tabloids (which I don’t) but yet you’re on here on tattle writing waffle expecting to be believed.
The prosecutor Ms Weiss stated at the trial hearing that she flipped a table and had to be restrained
We don’t know anything. You are inferring it was Andrew and filling in the blanks. The report doesn’t mention Andrew or any lamp he sent so stop implying that it does. We have no idea who was harassing her because it doesn’t state it. It may have been Andrew but it might not have been and I’ve no interest in playing hypotheticals and indulging in your speculation. “We” don’t know anything about the lamp and letter. And you are just an anonymous account on tattle peddling a bias narrative and clearly lack the ability to be objective.
Babe it was an inquest report which tried to find out the cause of her death and her mental state. It included the abuse from Andrew as it is relevant to her state of mind and that she was being tormented. Your info on the assault is not from the only valid thing that happened (an inquest) your info is actually just from the press and incorrect and flawed! And I’m not sure if you think tattle is nonsense why are you on it. Your attacking someone for actually trying to tell the truth in all this. That girl did not deserve what she got. Her only mistake was loosing her rag when she found out the months when she was being called nuts and humiliated he had been sleeping with a girl she knew. In a state of her world falling apart she threw a phone! She wasn’t perfect she was flawed but she didn’t deserve to loose her whole life because of it !Ah Jesus, me get off my high horse?
And why in gods name would the lamp Andrew sent be in the court reports?! That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she assaulted Lewis, which is what she was being charged for. “All you’re reading is the inquest report”.. yes.. the stuff that actually matters. Not made up jargon from an anonymous account on tattle. That and the court reports have all the relevant information in them and anyone with a balanced perception can agree that CPS were right to pursue charges based on what happened that night. Everything that happened after that with alleged lamps being sent is irrelevant and hear say. Like you’re shaming people for believing tabloids (which I don’t) but yet you’re on here on tattle writing waffle expecting to be believed.
I’m glad her mum did that. They were not friends at all. Seemed to be a bad crowd. I really hope Caroline didn’t do drugs and that didn’t contribute to her death. Poor girl seemed in such a bad place.
I hope the documentary helps people to realise her having mental health issues was not her fault and people shouldn’t believe everything they read.
I do know what happened as I know her and lewis. I’m not here to prove myself. The lamp and letter were not mentioned at trial as no one told the truth of their existence. What was mentioned was the continual abuse and text messages he was sending harassing her. Honestly believe what you like. The truth always comes out in the end and I’m hoping Andy us about to spill it!
Can you link to the part in the inquest where it says Andrew was abusing her? I’m sure you’ll have no problem doing this since you seem to be so sure it’s written in black and white. Thanks. And my info is from the mouth of Mrs Weiss the prosecutor at the hearing. It’s laughable how you dismiss something so casually just because it doesn’t suit your agenda.
And I never said she deserved to lose her life over it so quit the dramatics. It’s sad she took her own life. it could have all been cleared up in court if she just held on a bit longer. but I’ll never agree that it was “just a row and she only threw a phone”.. bla bla. It wasn’t a row, he was asleep and he woke up to Caroline attacking him and wrecking the gaff. Have a word with yourself and how you so casually minimise domestic abuse.
Link it then? If it was mentioned then it will have been reported on and you should link it here
god you are very aggressive yourself. They didn’t name him they said someone was harassing her. I don’t link media as I hear it from the horses mouth.
she didn’t hit him when he was sleeping another media lie. She woke him screaming and shouting about what she saw. She then lost the plot.
Andrew has been very quiet since his tirade the other day. I hope he’s okay despite what’s happened
Ah stop you are hilarious at this point. You can’t back up one jot of what you’re saying yet you’re shaming me for believing media lies when I’m quoting the horses mouth, the prosecutor at the hearing. Everyone who believes the media is wrong according to you yet you think what you have to say should be believed and holds weight, despite you not being able to back up one thing you’re saying and being an anonymous account on tattle.
You’re clearly biased. There isn’t some big conspiracy here. She assaulted him, was charged, couldn’t handle the pressure and took her own life. This was all concluded at her inquest (you should know, you were there, lol) and her own mother agreed.
Ms Hassell said: "I find the reason for her taking her life was she now knew she was being prosecuted for certainty, and she knew she would face the media, press, publicity - it would all come down upon her. To me, that's it in essence."
Mrs Flack wept as she told the coroner over video-link: "I think you got it spot on.
I wonder would you be as dismissive if it was Lewis who “just hit Caroline with a phone” and saying it was “only a row”. Ridiculous. I’ve wasted enough time chatting with you. It’s pointless when you insist on denying reality and relying on rumours.
As I said I’m not relying on anything bar what I know as I know both and in fact would of originally like many been in Lewis corner rather then Carries but then I found out the truth and everything that went on and it’s the very reason I am not friends with these people as I was disgusted with how the behaviour and lies and manipulation made someone feel they had no options.
I also know that after she died Lewis moved on to abusing another girl who went to the police when he started threatening her. I know this as this girl came to me and Carries family.
I of course have proof of all this but I can’t share it as I would then reveal myself.
I know and agree with what the inquest said. Her family also agreed and conducted themselves incredibly well during it all. However Caroline’s mum said there was a lot she couldn’t say. And the judge said that the police went above what’s normal.
that’s all I am going to reply to because you seem like a very nasty piece of work and I don’t need to prove a thing to you!
A nasty piece of work because I’m reserving judgment on what you’re saying.. okay
I just find it hilarious that on the one hand you’re shaming me for believing what was reported on in court yet you yourself expect to be believed just because you’re saying you’re in the know. You insisted it said Andrew abused her at the inquest yet when asked for proof you said it didnt name him. You’re just filling in the blanks and refusing to believe anything that doesn’t confirm your own bias, and then insulting me who is less likely to believe you. I also find it funny that for someone who believes Caroline was hounded and the victim of gossip you’ve no problem coming on here gossiping about Lewis and Andrew. We have no proof that either Lewis or Andrew abused Caroline. What we do have proof of is that Caroline attacked Lewis, hence the injury and the charge. Everything else is speculation and gossip. I think we’ll leave it there.
It’s not gossip because I know them then it’s fact. When you see something with your own eyes then you know it’s happened ! Rather then you reading newspaper reports of an inquest.A nasty piece of work because I’m reserving judgment on what you’re saying.. okay
I just find it hilarious that on the one hand you’re shaming me for believing what was reported on in court yet you yourself expect to be believed just because you’re saying you’re in the know. You insisted it said Andrew abused her at the inquest yet when asked for proof you said it didnt name him. You’re just filling in the blanks and refusing to believe anything that doesn’t confirm your own bias, and then insulting me who is less likely to believe you. I also find it funny that for someone who believes Caroline was hounded and the victim of gossip you’ve no problem coming on here gossiping about Lewis and Andrew. We have no proof that either Lewis or Andrew abused Caroline. What we do have proof of is that Caroline attacked Lewis, hence the injury and the charge. Everything else is speculation and gossip. I think we’ll leave it there.
was the girl he had been sleeping with Lottie?
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