Morning tattlers, I’ve had my coffee and trying to catch up on threads 
don’t all come at me at once.. because this is a place for meaningful discussion about public figures right? I wanted to offer some food for thought
I’m going to state right off the bat that I think the evidence strongly suggests that JD was more abused than he was abuser, because I feel people get very reactive here if there’s even a hint you’re defending Amber. I’ve said elsewhere how I don’t think he’s come out of this whiter than white and it’s been misinterpreted as my apparently being pro-Amber and misinterpreted as me suggesting he is an abuser. JD’s texts, his relationship with women, his language, his behaviour can be criticised without him being labelled an abuser.
Anyway, one thing that has been said repeatedly here is about how Amber Heard was believed immediately. We all, apparently, immediately believed her without question and look how wrong everyone was. And now Johnny Depp deserves to be vindicated. It’s been one of the things repeatedly said on this thread and elsewhere, how we shouldn’t automatically just believe someone because they are a woman. How women lie,
How unfair it is on men that women are automatically believed. Amber Heard will be used on Reddit incel threads for years to come to justify misogyny and as an excuse to ignore women.
Except that was never the case. There were doubts immediately raised about Amber Heard’s allegations before Johnny Depp ever released anything to the contrary.
Im not sure if I can post a link but there’s a daily Mail article expressing doubts over Amber’s narrative and to its credit - it’s a very thorough article;
“Amber Heard is pictured smiling hours after Depp's 'iPhone attack. Actress claims 'cocaine and booze binges turned Johnny into an abusive monster who left her fearing for her life' - but why was this image deleted before court appearance?”
it’s dated 27th May 2016, so ~ a week after the TRO filing.
there are others but I think this article illustrates my point without listing them.
Be pro- Depp to your hearts content - but I really hate to see this trial feed into sexist myths about women being liars. I hate to see it feed into the sexist viewpoint that we should automatically be mistrustful of victims when they come forward. Women are rarely ever given the benefit of the doubt - and this was equally true for Amber (even if looking back she never deserved it anyway). We’ve seen people argue on these threads against established studies on rape reporting for gods sake. If a thorough and well-recieved Home Office commission on rape reporting isn’t enough to dispel rape myths then how can it be said that women are automatically believed?
Looking at the Daily Mail article it’s clear that as soon as Amber filed that TRO and filed for divorce, she was treated with suspicion. There were serious doubts cast on her narrative.
Johnny Depp did not lose his roles because the public have a tendency to believe women, because that simply isn’t the case. There is no automatic tendency to believe a woman just because she’s a woman.
He lost his roles because Hollywood was sensitive to sexist abuse at that time, and it was a knee jerk response to protect itself. In fact, there were reports that Disney distanced themselves from Depp primarily because of his drinking on set during POTC filming, as opposed to the AH drama (another DM article in 2017). Johnny Depp actually had huge public support at the time - including JK Rowling, who wanted him to be kept in his Fantastic Beasts role. He had other public figures come out speaking in his defence, and has had them continually.
the way I see it is whatever the verdict is a lose-lose
if Amber wins then it’s unfair on Johnny and will be an injustice, seeing a narcissistic abuser get away with it and seeing a likeable actor be further dragged through the mud and career probably destroyed beyond repair.
but if Johnny wins, it’ll be one man winning justice for himself but it’ll be feeding into sexist dialogue for years. Countless women will lose out because of it. The public dialogue round the trial itself has been awful. It has sent terrible messages to victims of DV, women in general and to sexist men.
don’t all come at me at once.. because this is a place for meaningful discussion about public figures right? I wanted to offer some food for thoughtI’m going to state right off the bat that I think the evidence strongly suggests that JD was more abused than he was abuser, because I feel people get very reactive here if there’s even a hint you’re defending Amber. I’ve said elsewhere how I don’t think he’s come out of this whiter than white and it’s been misinterpreted as my apparently being pro-Amber and misinterpreted as me suggesting he is an abuser. JD’s texts, his relationship with women, his language, his behaviour can be criticised without him being labelled an abuser.
Anyway, one thing that has been said repeatedly here is about how Amber Heard was believed immediately. We all, apparently, immediately believed her without question and look how wrong everyone was. And now Johnny Depp deserves to be vindicated. It’s been one of the things repeatedly said on this thread and elsewhere, how we shouldn’t automatically just believe someone because they are a woman. How women lie,
How unfair it is on men that women are automatically believed. Amber Heard will be used on Reddit incel threads for years to come to justify misogyny and as an excuse to ignore women.
Except that was never the case. There were doubts immediately raised about Amber Heard’s allegations before Johnny Depp ever released anything to the contrary.
Im not sure if I can post a link but there’s a daily Mail article expressing doubts over Amber’s narrative and to its credit - it’s a very thorough article;
“Amber Heard is pictured smiling hours after Depp's 'iPhone attack. Actress claims 'cocaine and booze binges turned Johnny into an abusive monster who left her fearing for her life' - but why was this image deleted before court appearance?”
it’s dated 27th May 2016, so ~ a week after the TRO filing.
there are others but I think this article illustrates my point without listing them.
Be pro- Depp to your hearts content - but I really hate to see this trial feed into sexist myths about women being liars. I hate to see it feed into the sexist viewpoint that we should automatically be mistrustful of victims when they come forward. Women are rarely ever given the benefit of the doubt - and this was equally true for Amber (even if looking back she never deserved it anyway). We’ve seen people argue on these threads against established studies on rape reporting for gods sake. If a thorough and well-recieved Home Office commission on rape reporting isn’t enough to dispel rape myths then how can it be said that women are automatically believed?
Looking at the Daily Mail article it’s clear that as soon as Amber filed that TRO and filed for divorce, she was treated with suspicion. There were serious doubts cast on her narrative.
Johnny Depp did not lose his roles because the public have a tendency to believe women, because that simply isn’t the case. There is no automatic tendency to believe a woman just because she’s a woman.
He lost his roles because Hollywood was sensitive to sexist abuse at that time, and it was a knee jerk response to protect itself. In fact, there were reports that Disney distanced themselves from Depp primarily because of his drinking on set during POTC filming, as opposed to the AH drama (another DM article in 2017). Johnny Depp actually had huge public support at the time - including JK Rowling, who wanted him to be kept in his Fantastic Beasts role. He had other public figures come out speaking in his defence, and has had them continually.
the way I see it is whatever the verdict is a lose-lose
if Amber wins then it’s unfair on Johnny and will be an injustice, seeing a narcissistic abuser get away with it and seeing a likeable actor be further dragged through the mud and career probably destroyed beyond repair.
but if Johnny wins, it’ll be one man winning justice for himself but it’ll be feeding into sexist dialogue for years. Countless women will lose out because of it. The public dialogue round the trial itself has been awful. It has sent terrible messages to victims of DV, women in general and to sexist men.
Point out to me please where I suggested that because I really am confused as to how you read it that way