Johnny Depp & Amber Heard

[airwolf97]

Just my opinion but I don't think Amber is the instigator and the abusive one, where Johnny is concerned I think it's reactive abuse from his end. It's pretty common, no matter how level headed or even tempered someone is, if someone persistently pushes you be it or verbally, physically or mentally then it's going to push even the most sane person to their absolute limit. Ultimately causing them to retaliate in whatever way and act completely out of character. The video of him shouting and slamming around the kitchen whilst she's there talking timidly, that rang an alarm bell for me as you don't know what was said or done in the lead up to that being filmed. I don't think Depp is abusive at all and he's 100% the victim in the whole situation. She's a nasty piece of work and should be fired from any work she has lined up.

Just my opinion but I don't think Amber is the instigator and the abusive one, where Johnny is concerned I think it's reactive abuse from his end. It's pretty common, no matter how level headed or even tempered someone is, if someone persistently pushes you be it or verbally, physically or mentally then it's going to push even the most sane person to their absolute limit. Ultimately causing them to retaliate in whatever way and act completely out of character. The video of him shouting and slamming around the kitchen whilst she's there talking timidly, that rang an alarm bell for me as you don't know what was said or done in the lead up to that being filmed. I don't think Depp is abusive at all and he's 100% the victim in the whole situation. She's a nasty piece of work and should be fired from any work she has lined up.

*I do think Amber is the instigator and the abusive one

Just my opinion but I don't think Amber is the instigator and the abusive one, where Johnny is concerned I think it's reactive abuse from his end. It's pretty common, no matter how level headed or even tempered someone is, if someone persistently pushes you be it or verbally, physically or mentally then it's going to push even the most sane person to their absolute limit. Ultimately causing them to retaliate in whatever way and act completely out of character. The video of him shouting and slamming around the kitchen whilst she's there talking timidly, that rang an alarm bell for me as you don't know what was said or done in the lead up to that being filmed. I don't think Depp is abusive at all and he's 100% the victim in the whole situation. She's a nasty piece of work and should be fired from any work she has lined up.

*I do think Amber is the instigator and the abusive one

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

It’s not Bullying at all. If I were you I’d want to know that I didn’t understand the spectrum of domestic violence, considering how incredibly serious it is.

Sorry to double post but I’ve just seen this, not sure if anyone was an opinion on it?

Also- coming back to this- I don’t even understand what the supposed sinister point of it is. They’re tenuously connected to each other- but they’re also all on the same side, so what’s the point? You can’t claim, that ie JD isn’t getting a Fair legal representation because his barrister is connected to dan wooton

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

It’s not Bullying at all. If I were you I’d want to know that I didn’t understand the spectrum of domestic violence, considering how incredibly serious it is.

With all respect, the way you talk is incredibly patronizing in belittling.
You don’t know me and have no idea of how knowledgeable I am.

You claimed JD abused Kate Moss because he - according to tabloid magazines- trashed a hotel room? That’s bullshit.
Maybe she found it funny, maybe she participated, maybe she slept through it. If it happened at all. YOU were not there.

Any person with just a hint of expertise in that area would say that an outsider can merely speculate. The only person with the authority to comment is Kate Moss.

And yes, I find your way of belittling and patronizing me disrespectful and experience you as a bully, calling my views a d thoughts to be worthless and telling me that I don’t know anything.
Classic bully behavior

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Anyone with a hint of expertise in the area would know the way police and social services deal with violence against property in the home in the prescence of a partner.
You can also google the case to see the police take on kate moss’ involvement.
This isn’t something you have a view on. You either know what domestic violence encompasses or you don’t. I don’t really know what else to say, it’s not really a debate.

I think you’re throwing around the word bullied unnecessarily because you think it’s going to get you the reaction you want: I don’t know what else to say apart from I’m sorry you feel bullied, but this really isn’t bullying.

actually I’ll edit that- I am genuinely sorry if you feel bullied or belittled, but how else can women work to correct these misconceptions about domestic abuse? We can’t, in 2020, have people going around saying the kind of things stated on this thread as “I’m entitled to my opinion”- we just can’t, I’m sorry.

 

[Pinkii]

With all respect, the way you talk is incredibly patronizing in belittling.
You don’t know me and have no idea of how knowledgeable I am.

You claimed JD abused Kate Moss because he - according to tabloid magazines- trashed a hotel room? That’s bullshit.
Maybe she found it funny, maybe she participated, maybe she slept through it. If it happened at all. YOU were not there.

Any person with just a hint of expertise in that area would say that an outsider can merely speculate. The only person with the authority to comment is Kate Moss.

And yes, I find your way of belittling and patronizing me disrespectful and experience you as a bully, calling my views a d thoughts to be worthless and telling me that I don’t know anything.
Classic bully behavior

Sorry but one can apply the same logic to the heard and depp, YOU weren’t there (none of us where). You’re judging based on what you know about him from tabloids, and how it can’t possibly be true he would be abusive.

also it was well documented by the police be had trashed the room, its not just speculation, but agree it doesn’t mean Kate didn’t participate or whatever.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

Anyone with a hint of expertise in the area would know the way police and social services deal with violence against property in the home in the prescence of a partner.
You can also google the case to see the police take on kate moss’ involvement.
This isn’t something you have a view on. You either know what domestic violence encompasses or you don’t. I don’t really know what else to say, it’s not really a debate.

I think you’re throwing around the word bullied unnecessarily because you think it’s going to get you the reaction you want: I don’t know what else to say apart from I’m sorry you feel bullied, but this really isn’t bullying.

actually I’ll edit that- I am genuinely sorry if you feel bullied or belittled, but how else can women work to correct these misconceptions about domestic abuse? We can’t, in 2020, have people going around saying the kind of things stated on this thread as “I’m entitled to my opinion”- we just can’t, I’m sorry.

For the last time: you say that demonstrating anger and violence against objects is a form of domestic abuse IF it intimidates the partner and/or is done to make the partner afraid.
i don’t deny this.

BUT what you definitely cannot say is that JD abused Kate Moss because he trashed a hotel room when she was there as you don’t know anything about the circumstances or what happened! Was she intimidated? Did she find it funny? Did she also beat the coach? Did she sleep through? You have no idea! You just make up rumors!

And by the way: Kate Moss trashed her own hotel room (Hotel du Cape), threw Jamie Hince’s laptop in the pool and was escorted off a plane because she swore at people.

And I also don’t think that this “kitchen cupboard beater” video is abuse. He was raging and Amber Heard then approached him, coming in. He then leaves. As she wasn’t there when he started raging he hardly did it to make her afraid. And if she would have been afraid she would have stayed out.

I think there is a lot of projection going on and I find it dangerous that you make assert about situations you don’t know anything about.

And yes, to me you come across like a bully as you attacked me because I don’t share your view.
And without any arguments, simply claiming I wouldn’t know anything.

Sorry but one can apply the same logic to the heard and depp, YOU weren’t there (none of us where). You’re judging based on what you know about him from tabloids, and how it can’t possibly be true he would be abusive.

also it was well documented by the police be had trashed the room, its not just speculation, but agree it doesn’t mean Kate didn’t participate or whatever.

I didn’t say “it can’t possibly be true he wouldn’t be abusive“.

Please read my comments carefully - and I left a detailed comment after I read the judgement - before making these untrue statements

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

But you’re showing you don’t know what domestic violence is. Trashing property in front of your partner is domestic violence. You’re showing no understanding as to why the victim might pretend it’s ok. Many victims of DA do not realise, or will not accept, that they’re being abused.

what you’re describing is a very lightweight view of DA. As I said many pages ago, we need to be having proper discussions about abuse, including the way both parties react in abusive relationships, to progress the way society views domestic violence and ultimately sets a higher standard in relationships for all of us, as well as better support from the police and criminal justice system

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

But you’re showing you don’t know what domestic violence is. Trashing property in front of your partner is domestic violence. You’re showing no understanding as to why the victim might pretend it’s ok. Many victims of DA do not realise, or will not accept, that they’re being abused.

what you’re describing is a very lightweight view of DA. As I said many pages ago, we need to be having proper discussions about abuse, including the way both parties react in abusive relationships, to progress the way society views domestic violence and ultimately sets a higher standard in relationships for all of us, as well as better support from the police and criminal justice system

Trashing property in front of your partner can be domestic violence, but isn’t necessarily so.
In addition: You haven’t got the faintest clue if it was actually “in front of“ Kate Moss, who according to reports was in a different room.
And the kitchen beating wasn’t in front of Amber Heard either, as when she came in he left and he was banging the doors before she came in - with a takeaway coffee, so obviously she was outside, out of the house when he started it.

It is I important to stick to the facts and not just make assumptions!

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

There doesn’t seem to be much point discussing this any further, you clearly don’t want to have a discussion about domestic violence. If you want to stick to the facts, the sun were justified in calling JD a wife beater and that’s that I guess.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

There doesn’t seem to be much point discussing this any further, you clearly don’t want to have a discussion about domestic violence. If you want to stick to the facts, the sun were justified in calling JD a wife beater and that’s that I guess.

No, this is not the way I conduct discussions about any topics.

Good news for all the Sun readers I guess.

 

[Moley1]

if people want to presume Depp’s innocence then they will find any reason or excuse to think that way and no evidence to contrary will make them believe otherwise.

as its been pointed out (esp by me and my experience) just because there has been no physical/mental abuse history with previous partner’s doesn’t prove innocence.

again no one is saying he isn’t a victim either, but he is no saint.

No one is a saint. We all do things that we regret. I don’t think that anyone thinks that Depp is a saint. The question is did he or did he not hit this woman? A judgement has been made which may or may not be correct. Either way, none of us were there, including the judge, and the only people who know the truth of the matter are Depp and Heard.

 

[Bae56]

This subject is controversial because we've heard Amber admit that she has instigated violence in their relationship and has attacked him on more than one occasion.
We heard him admit that he's had to completely remove himself from being anywhere near her to stop it.
She also has previous for this remember & tried to blame it on the gay police officer being homophobic.
She's lying somewhere. I've only been mentioning the things she's admitted as there's no disputing it. Then there's the hearsay like severing his finger with a vodka bottle, but then alll of Amber's account is hearsay.
There's no doubt in my mind she got this story out in The Sun. Together they jumped on the back of MeToo, completely misquoted a MeToo activist when they used her as their source. It's in such bad taste.

This whole kind of thing is her style, she phones the paps to follow her about.
I think she has used him & this version of events to raise her profile. It's worked, she's definitely more known now albeit the majority if the public see her negatively. No such thing as bad publicity! She'll have a reality tv show before we know it.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Of course she won’t have a reality tv show. This happened years ago!

 

[Bae56]

I wouldn't be shocked

 

[Bae56]

There have been cases of violence with partners before. The most famous one when the police were called to a hotel suite he was smashing up during a fight with Kate Moss

Kate Moss also trashed a country home that she rented for her & her child to live in (I remember it being a daughter but cant be sure) The owners, who were an older couple were part of a documentary that was on many years ago.
I've nothing against Kate Moss, I find it endearing how shy she is in interviews given her level of fame and fortune, but she has done that type of thing too.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Kate Moss also trashed a country home that she rented for her & her child to live in (I remember it being a daughter but cant be sure) The owners, who were an older couple were part of a documentary that was on many years ago.
I've nothing against Kate Moss, I find it endearing how shy she is in interviews given her level of fame and fortune, but she has done that type of thing too.

But that’s a bit like... so? The only reason we’re talking about the kate moss hotel incident is a poster above said that Johnny has an extensive relationship history with no previous sign of violence. And that’s not true.

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

But that’s a bit like... so? The only reason we’re talking about the kate moss hotel incident is a poster above said that Johnny has an extensive relationship history with no previous sign of violence. And that’s not true.

Am I said poster?

Kate Moss didn’t accuse JD of domestic abuse. You seem to think that he automatically abused her because he damaged a hotel room.
This is not correct.

Following your logic then Kate Moss would also have abused her child if she trashed this place she rented for her and her child.

I almost feel like getting the police or a social worker to post here that property damage does not automatically equal domestic abuse.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

We don’t know what kate moss did or didn’t do privately. I don’t know if she abused her child or not. Smashing up property in anger in front of your child is abusive, of course it is.

my point was more the desperate need to keep being the thread back to the wrong doings of other women, to deflect from JD. This thread isn’t about all the things kate moss has done wrong

 

[whathastheworldcometo]

We don’t know what kate moss did or didn’t do privately. I don’t know if she abused her child or not. Smashing up property in anger in front of your child is abusive, of course it is.

my point was more the desperate need to keep being the thread back to the wrong doings of other women, to deflect from JD. This thread isn’t about all the things kate moss has done wrong

There is rather a desperate need that some people, especially rich and spoilt ones, mind find the trashing of other people’s property entertaining or therapeutic rather than abusive.

My point is you are making up assumptions and present them as facts. You have no idea how Kate Moss felt about the situation and if she was present at all - they probably had a suite or penthouse with multiple rooms and not the little economy room on the first floor

 

[Bae56]

But that’s a bit like... so? The only reason we’re talking about the kate moss hotel incident is a poster above said that Johnny has an extensive relationship history with no previous sign of violence. And that’s not true.

Wouldn't say it's any more "so" than when he did it. There weren't any accusations of abuse either time. He trashed a hotel room when he was with Kate Moss. Kate Moss trashed a property when she was with someone else. I wouldn't back abuse claims against her because of it. It's all a bit irrelevant. Extremely horrible and disrespectful but there we no accusations of violence towards another human being. Seems to be that the rich and famous have a blatant disregard for material things.

Amber Heard is the only person who has ever made the accusations. The police investigated it at the time & found no evidence.