Give it a week or so, I'm sure you'll be praising the Sun's apology for the same political reasons you condemn Netflix.... but oddly not H&M (not the clothes shop)Not impressed by The Sun apologising so fast particularly after how many years it took them to apologise for the lies they printed over Hillsborough.
Neither was I impressed by Netflix using Hillsborough news stories for pretend headlines about Harry and Meghan
Unless H and M personally selected the headline then that rests on Netflix's shoulders, to use a headline commemorating the inquest results and pretend it was about abuse of Harry and Meghan was vile.Give it a week or so, I'm sure you'll be praising the Sun's apology for the same political reasons you condemn Netflix.... but oddly not H&M (not the clothes shop)
The Sun shouldn't have apologised, nor should they have retracted the article...Unless H and M personally selected the headline then that rests on Netflix's shoulders, to use a headline commemorating the inquest results and pretend it was about abuse of Harry and Meghan was vile.
And I can assure you that I won't be happy with The Sun's apology in a week, they apologised after a week for an ill judged slightly over top rant (which included a description from a pretty mainstream TV show) and took years to apologise for lies about people dying.
And finally I'm not a Labour voter, I'm not from Liverpool and I don't need either to be a Labour voter or from Liverpool to have a moral compass and find what The Sun did to the people of Liverpool abhorrent.
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Wrong on all counts. Yes I read the Clarkson article and imo it was over the top Meghan Markle is in my view narcissistic but she hasn't sold Scottish women and children down the river like Nichola Sturgeon nor is she a serial killer like Rose West so for Clarkson to hate Meghan more is imo OTT.The Sun shouldn't have apologised, nor should they have retracted the article...
All that does is to encourage those who didn't read it to project upon it things which were never said....
As opposed to - "what the fuck are feminists outraged about today?" and "yeah Harry couldn't fly an Apache" and "yes I hate Meghan more than Nicola Sturgeon and Rose West"...
And in doing so, the Sun has allowed the self-righteous - like yourself - to be self righteous in attacking an allowable hate figure, Jeremy Clarkson (who you are not forced to watch or read his opinion), and to decry a newspaper, which apparently, you do not read: and actively hate those who do.
(Oh save your fingers... you don't hate anyone... you are a virtuous person.. who has all the right opinions)
You are the worst kind of coward.
Willing to sacrifice nothing, in order to gain nothing, in the hope that others don't attack you for being nothing.
And in the process you drag in 96 ghosts to validate your utter moral vacuousness.
96 people who were never mentioned in the Clarkson article.
But in your cowardice, and craving for validation, you haul them in because ... reasons.
Do try again.Wrong on all counts. Yes I read the Clarkson article and imo it was over the top Meghan Markle is in my view narcissistic but she hasn't sold Scottish women and children down the river like Nichola Sturgeon nor is she a serial killer like Rose West so for Clarkson to hate Meghan more is imo OTT.
Did the article particularly bother no, just rolled my eyes at the OTT bits and instantly realised he'd used a GOT reference.
Yes I read The Sun or at least what stories they post on their FB page, do I judge others for reading it or not reading it no.
Do I judge the Sun for letting actual lies about ordinary people stand with no apology whilst caving into a privileged narcissist some of whose followers wield the race card as though it were a bank card over an opinion piece by one of their writers. ABSOLUTELY AND UTTERLY
I have a quiet day today so please feel free to continue to project your own feelings of worthlessness onto me I have prayers enough to spare for you.
You're coming across as extremely unpleasant in your posts. Just saying.The Sun shouldn't have apologised, nor should they have retracted the article...
All that does is to encourage those who didn't read it to project upon it things which were never said....
As opposed to - "what the fuck are feminists outraged about today?" and "yeah Harry couldn't fly an Apache" and "yes I hate Meghan more than Nicola Sturgeon and Rose West"...
And in doing so, the Sun has allowed the self-righteous - like yourself - to be self righteous in attacking an allowable hate figure, Jeremy Clarkson (who you are not forced to watch or read his opinion), and to decry a newspaper, which apparently, you do not read: and actively hate those who do.
(Oh save your fingers... you don't hate anyone... you are a virtuous person.. who has all the right opinions)
You are the worst kind of coward.
Willing to sacrifice nothing, in order to gain nothing, in the hope that others don't attack you for being nothing.
And in the process you drag in 96 ghosts to validate your utter moral vacuousness.
96 people who were never mentioned in the Clarkson article.
But in your cowardice, and craving for validation, you haul them in because ... reasons.
Thing is, it is. To a certain degree. Any race can be racist against whites. If you push one race out of the conversation about racism, surely that, in itself, is racism?It’s not really up to white people to decide what is or isn’t racism and I shall leave that there
Who is it up to ? and you are making rather a large assumption there?It’s not really up to white people to decide what is or isn’t racism and I shall leave that there
I think it’s up to minority groups to decide what they find to be racist or derogatory. Not for people saying ‘well I don’t see racism’ well of course you don’t, because you are not in a group of people who do experience it. White people have a privilege that minority or oppressed groups do not, this is well documented throughout history through the ages across all continents and in modern day times.Who is it up to ? and you are making rather a large assumption there?
Everything you say about your experiences and that of your husband, I accept. Of course racism exists. But what makes me very angry is where the accusation of racism, sexism and homophobia is used where it is not the case. So let us go back to Meghan Markle and Jeremy Clarkson, the subject of this thread. Please point out to me exactly where any of those were apparent in his comment. He hates her. She is of mixed race, she is a woman. That is not why he hates her. And if you can see racism or misogyny in what he said, then I believe that you will see it everywhere where white people open their mouths. Because we often see what we want to see. And that is a stumbling block to there ever being a fair, accepting world. When you mention the person who doesn’t look black, are you meaning Meghan, who described herself as Caucasian until she married into the Royal Family? Is everyone at football matches racist , because there are ignorant yobs who shout abuse ? You mention workers being brought in from countries such as India to work for low pay ? A hundred years ago ? Yet make no mention of the thousands of people working not only for low pay, but as slaves all over the world TODAY. And in their own country, not just in Britain. I am generalising, please be very aware of that, about what I say next. Almost every Christmas decoration in the entire world will be made in factories in the Far East. The workers in these factories are often not paid, their recompense is to receive meals, and to be allowed to sleep on the factory floor. This includes child labour. We buy cheap cotton garments from factories in India, where not only are there poor wages but there are no safeguards for the health of the workers. Of course, in these countries, the perpetrators of these disgusting working conditions are the same nationality as the workers, so it cannot be called racism. There are very corrupt nations in Africa where the people are ground down by cruelty, and poverty by leaders who are of the same ethnicity. Again, not racism, though. What about the nations who limit the number of children allowed to be born ? Where female babies are killed ? yet again, not racism. While you are so busy accusing all of us as being racist, saying we have no right to define what we think is racist, while you dictate that we have no right to defend ourselves, while you dictate that we are not allowed to profess dislike for anyone who is not white, do you ever stop to wonder if perhaps you are the racist ? When you walk down the street and see someone with a very bad disfigurement , do you ever wonder if their life experiences are as bad as yours are ? There are atrocities to be fought all over the world, but while we are walking on eggshells trying not to offend someone who has colour in their skin, we will never be able to move forward. Accusations of racism against anyone white incites racism. And if I hear the term gaslighting once more, I will scream. And I do not care what colour the skin is of the person who says it.I think it’s up to minority groups to decide what they find to be racist or derogatory. Not for people saying ‘well I don’t see racism’ well of course you don’t, because you are not in a group of people who do experience it. White people have a privilege that minority or oppressed groups do not, this is well documented throughout history through the ages across all continents and in modern day times.
In lay terms as an example If you are female you will have experiences a male will likely not have too, such as sexual harassment. If you are Jewish you will experience racial antisemitism, if you aren’t Jewish you won’t.
My partner is from an ethnic minority group in the U.K. and even I wasn’t aware of the every day low level of racism that is his every day normal until I met him. He has also experienced some more serious racism in his life that I have never experienced. Racism is also about stereotyping, assumptions and telling people they are imagining it or playing a ‘card’ is just continuing to oppress people. It’s a delusion of denial people tell themselves to scoff it back because it’s unpalatable. It’s just as gaslighting and unpleasant to try to defend it by using strange examples from your own white perspective. The U.K. is racist, we literally had an entire media and political campaign of ‘send everyone back home/don’t let ‘them’ in’ doing the rounds not 5 years ago. We have entire museums dedicated to all the valuable, indigenous items we travelled round the world and stole from different countries. At football matches, racial insults are still shouted at players. It was less than 100 years ago we were still shipping in very low paid manual labour workers from other countries such as India. Just because we don’t make people sit in a different section anymore doesn’t mean all racism has gone away. We all still have work to do, on ourselves and as a society. On one thread I won’t reference someone recently posted ‘X doesn’t even look black’ about someone who has clear and well documented mixed ethnicity background. Ask anyone who isn’t entirely white looking you know, they will have been asked ‘where are you really from?’ many times in their life. This has happened to me, from a young age as I have distant genes from native America and I am very dark haired, had hairy legs and I have almond eyes. I got teased every day for it and started shaving them from age 9. I got called all kinds of racist slurs, asked where I am ‘really from’ and the same thing happened to my daughter all through secondary school to the point where she would cry about it because even if we were ‘really from’ somewhere else, so what? Both born in the U.K., have dark features.
The U.K. was found to be racist back in 2016 in this report
You make a great many generalisations. The kind of men who like Jeremy Clarkson are likely to dislike womenI didn’t like the GOT scene and I also hated what JC wrote. I haven’t watched it but I have read all the books.
GOT was fictional in the sense that it may have been depicting in a sensationalist, disconcerting way how women were treated in times of old (although GOT isn’t really dated, it’s clearly medieval style). in my mind, many women across the centuries did experience all kinds of horrors just for being a woman and we have moved on as society from that being acceptable. The character was written to be very horrible and a lot of her anger and vitriol was because she was female in a man’s world. What I do not like about it is that her punishment was nudity shame and humiliation and that it was her ‘comeuppance’ when a man would have just had his hand chopped off.
MM is a real person with feelings and not a character and we aren’t living in medieval times anymore. Regardless of anything MM has done, she doesn’t deserve to have those kinds of things written about her by JC or anyone else. It should be a crime to be promoting violent acts against women in the media, twitter or anywhere else. The kind of men who love JC and read the Sun are highly likely to already dislike women so having men in positions of power writing nasty, violent fantasies about them is dangerous
Probably a wise moveAnd the Jeremy Clarkson thread will be locked in 3.2.1....!
Indeed... what about the many women who like him?You make a great many generalisations. The kind of men who like Jeremy Clarkson are likely to dislike women
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