Thing is, it is. To a certain degree. Any race can be racist against whites. If you push one race out of the conversation about racism, surely that, in itself, is racism?
Sophie Corcoran is the worst.
Everything you say about your experiences and that of your husband, I accept. Of course racism exists. But what makes me very angry is where the accusation of racism, sexism and homophobia is used where it is not the case. So let us go back to Meghan Markle and Jeremy Clarkson, the subject of this thread. Please point out to me exactly where any of those were apparent in his comment. He hates her. She is of mixed race, she is a woman. That is not why he hates her. And if you can see racism or misogyny in what he said, then I believe that you will see it everywhere where white people open their mouths. Because we often see what we want to see. And that is a stumbling block to there ever being a fair, accepting world. When you mention the person who doesn’t look black, are you meaning Meghan, who described herself as Caucasian until she married into the Royal Family? Is everyone at football matches racist , because there are ignorant yobs who shout abuse ? You mention workers being brought in from countries such as India to work for low pay ? A hundred years ago ? Yet make no mention of the thousands of people working not only for low pay, but as slaves all over the world TODAY. And in their own country, not just in Britain. I am generalising, please be very aware of that, about what I say next. Almost every Christmas decoration in the entire world will be made in factories in the Far East. The workers in these factories are often not paid, their recompense is to receive meals, and to be allowed to sleep on the factory floor. This includes child labour. We buy cheap cotton garments from factories in India, where not only are there poor wages but there are no safeguards for the health of the workers. Of course, in these countries, the perpetrators of these disgusting working conditions are the same nationality as the workers, so it cannot be called racism. There are very corrupt nations in Africa where the people are ground down by cruelty, and poverty by leaders who are of the same ethnicity. Again, not racism, though. What about the nations who limit the number of children allowed to be born ? Where female babies are killed ? yet again, not racism. While you are so busy accusing all of us as being racist, saying we have no right to define what we think is racist, while you dictate that we have no right to defend ourselves, while you dictate that we are not allowed to profess dislike for anyone who is not white, do you ever stop to wonder if perhaps you are the racist ? When you walk down the street and see someone with a very bad disfigurement , do you ever wonder if their life experiences are as bad as yours are ? There are atrocities to be fought all over the world, but while we are walking on eggshells trying not to offend someone who has colour in their skin, we will never be able to move forward. Accusations of racism against anyone white incites racism. And if I hear the term gaslighting once more, I will scream. And I do not care what colour the skin is of the person who says it.
You make a great many generalisations. The kind of men who like Jeremy Clarkson are likely to dislike women
That is one of the most preposterous things I have heard on this forum. I have just spent time answering your post about racism. Now that I have seen this, I realise I have been talking to someone with a warped view of the world. And you are saying that a man having his hand chopped off is a lesser punishment than being naked and having excrement thrown at you. Oh dearie me, I wonder how many people the world over would agree with that.
Indeed... what about the many women who like him?
Who is it up to ? and you are making rather a large assumption there?
Because that's not allowed these days sadly. It hasn't made the world a better place. There are still loads of unpleasant and hateful people around no matter what colour they are and we should be free to observe this without censure or fear of the racist charge.
You don’t need to apologise for anything and I for one am completely unoffended. I like JC too, I will continue to like him, and I find the endless nitpicking and blathering on about perceived racism, sexism and every other -ism under the sun where none exists absolutely ridiculous. My post about the “Far East” was not intended to be taken seriously (although I have absolutely been accused of racism in my academic day job for using that term). I was taking the piss of that type of authoritarian idiocy where posters on this thread have accused others of racism and misogyny based on absolutely fuck-all, and the insanity of identity politics in which you can never be politically correct enough.
People who comment like the above that they are Irish, or BAME or female, or whatever minority is being discriminated against really do a disservice to minorities. It's bad enough being discriminated against, but when one of your own turn around and say there is no discrimination cause they are a minority and they have never been discriminated against it feeds the old misogynistic, racist bullies. Its really sad that people are so gaslighted that they take the bullies side.
I was the one who used the term ‘Far East’ I am 74, so am not quite up to speed about what it is acceptable to say. I had absolutely no idea that it was now a derogatory term. If I have offended anyone, then I am very sorry. Also, the word ‘Eurocentric’ is one I have never heard before, I have had to Google it.
I think it is patently obvious that we are talking about Clarkson because of his comments about Meghan Markle. So wind your neck in.
Agreed. It's also the fact he earns money from this. Isn't Richard Littlejohn one of the highest paid columnists as well?
Well that's awkward
I wonder where the fine line is, in between someone writing the GoT scene as entertainment to be viewed by millions of people, and someone else writing it as a newspaper article? At what point does it change from being unacceptable misogyny to being OK to watch on TV? Is it OK to write something like that about a fictional character and film a willing actress doing it, but it's not OK to write it about a real-life person? Are most people just so desensitised (if that's a word) to comments like this because we happily watch stuff like this all the time? Just wondering, by the way, not specifically asking you in person.
What's racism got to do with it?
