Jay Z & Beyonce

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does Anyone think the death of that tik toker forget her name but she used to say you want more I’ll give you more. Is anything to do with this? i remember at the time loads of vids saying jlo and pdiddy had something to do with her death! my be just conspiracy though
As far as I recall there was no mystery surrounding her passing. It was the result of a heart problem. RIP Kyle Marisa Roth
 
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I don’t think there are many celebrities that can admit they pushed their kids/exposed their kids to the limelight, it is always explained s something that the kids desperately wanted and basically harangued their parents into it. I don’t believe it, they trademarked her name as soon as she was born and it’s all about extending their brand/legacy, and basically an ego trip to believe they’ve produced these uber-talented star quality kids, rather than it just being done by nepotism. They have exposed that child to fame since she was a toddler, dragging her around award shows, in music videos, and now taking her on world stadium tours to perform on stage . It’s really selfish, a 9-10 year old shouldn’t get to “decide” things like this, it’s hard to find an example of a child star that isn’t totally screwed up. I understand non-rich social-climbing parents pushing their kids into show business far more than 2 billionaires whose great grandchildren won’t need to work a day in their lives if they don’t want to.

I think this red carpet totally exposes their arrogance and delusion, like they can just ignore it until it dies down. P Diddy did the same at first, and now look where he is… 👀
The thing is Blue is pushed into the limelight but the twins have lots of privacy. I wonder why
I think Blue looks like Jay z I don't see much Beyonce in here.
 
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I think it’s hella mean to wheel their twelve year old daughter out into the limelight when he’s embroiled in an alleged grape scandal and both of them are mentioned a lot in relation to sexual assault ‘parties’.
They should be protecting her at all costs and keeping her safe from exposure to all of this and from possible repercussions
 
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I think it’s hella mean to wheel their twelve year old daughter out into the limelight when he’s embroiled in an alleged grape scandal and both of them are mentioned a lot in relation to sexual assault ‘parties’.
They should be protecting her at all costs and keeping her safe from exposure to all of this and from possible repercussions
I get what you mean but Blue was attending the premiere of the film she has a voice acting part in, to make her miss that because of what her parents may or may not have done isn’t really fair imo
 
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I get what you mean but Blue was attending the premiere of the film she has a voice acting part in, to make her miss that because of what her parents may or may not have done isn’t really fair imo
Woops, I didn’t realise that bit, but they could have sent her with someone else such as fellow crew members, aunt etc, rather than make her premiere a shady circus
 
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Woops, I didn’t realise that bit, but they could have sent her with someone else such as fellow crew members, aunt etc, rather than make her premiere a shady circus
I agree. You only have to google her name and all the news report links are about Jay Z and the accusations and that he was there with her.
 
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Woops, I didn’t realise that bit, but they could have sent her with someone else such as fellow crew members, aunt etc, rather than make her premiere a shady circus
Beyonce is also in the movie so it would be weird if she didn't go. I think if Jay-Z didn't turn up, people would have commented on it too. Damned if you do damned if you don't.
 
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I think the problem with 'does Blue really want to be a famous star' is that we'll never truly know if it was her choice or not. Kids pick up on so much subconsciously, and it is clear that Beyonce and Jay associate fame, popularity and success with being good. It's evident in their careers, their history, their 'we are the king and queen of pop' assumption about themselves and how any award decision that goes against them is a snub and morally wrong.

There is no way that Blue hasn't picked up on that too. We don't know their personal lives but it's well documented within pageant families that many parents only show love and affection when their child is successful - and Beyonce came from a pageant family. So at her age, when your want to impress your parents is generally at its highest, of course she'll want to be in the limelight. Whether we can say that's really her choice or not is a different discussion.
 
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So I happened to watch the halftime show. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a talented vocalist. The overall visuals were great.

But I just don't understand at all why some are calling her the 'undeniable Queen of pop' or 'the performer of a lifetime' etc etc. I think the costumes and huge amount of dancers made it look impressive, but Beyonce herself I found quite weak with the choreography. Blue was clearly very nervous and the time she was on screen I felt sorry for her, she looked terrified of messing up.

The music itself I also found catchy at best but cringeworthy at worst - I just can't wrap my head around the self-indulgent re-write of Jolene. I thought Jay-Z did cheat on her and admitted to it? So is the Jolene re-write a fantasy in which that doesn't happen?

I will say I know I am not Beyonce's target audience and maybe it just isn't 'for me'. But goodness, I just don't understand her and her music being put on some 'greatest of all time' pedestal.
 
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So I happened to watch the halftime show. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a talented vocalist. The overall visuals were great.

But I just don't understand at all why some are calling her the 'undeniable Queen of pop' or 'the performer of a lifetime' etc etc. I think the costumes and huge amount of dancers made it look impressive, but Beyonce herself I found quite weak with the choreography. Blue was clearly very nervous and the time she was on screen I felt sorry for her, she looked terrified of messing up.

The music itself I also found catchy at best but cringeworthy at worst - I just can't wrap my head around the self-indulgent re-write of Jolene. I thought Jay-Z did cheat on her and admitted to it? So is the Jolene re-write a fantasy in which that doesn't happen?

I will say I know I am not Beyonce's target audience and maybe it just isn't 'for me'. But goodness, I just don't understand her and her music being put on some 'greatest of all time' pedestal.
Beyonce is a good performer and puts on a good show but Madonna is the queen of pop😒😒
 
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Beyonce is a good performer and puts on a good show but Madonna is the queen of pop😒😒
Beyoncé has a good vocal (though I don’t feel like she really shows that off in her more recent music) and she’s a good dancer. But beyond that I’m never sure how much of her work is really her. Someone like Taylor Swift (who isn’t nearly as good a singer or dancer) you can see how much she is the driving force behind her work musically, production, thematically. Beyoncé I feel like she’s much more managed. She barely even talks unscripted. Feels very curated. It’s bizarre how they are making Blue into a mini her like they’ll just swap her in to pick up where Beyoncé leaves off at some point. It’s sad she’s only 12. It’s really screw her up.
 
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Beyoncé has a good vocal (though I don’t feel like she really shows that off in her more recent music) and she’s a good dancer. But beyond that I’m never sure how much of her work is really her. Someone like Taylor Swift (who isn’t nearly as good a singer or dancer) you can see how much she is the driving force behind her work musically, production, thematically. Beyoncé I feel like she’s much more managed. She barely even talks unscripted. Feels very curated. It’s bizarre how they are making Blue into a mini her like they’ll just swap her in to pick up where Beyoncé leaves off at some point. It’s sad she’s only 12. It’s really screw her up.
100% agree re: blue. I felt so sorry for her, watching the halftime show - she didn't smile once, she was stiff and clearly so focused on the moves. And why wouldn't she be, she's 12 years old, it must be terrifying to know the world is watching. But then I saw all the comments on Twitter of 'what a wonderful mother-daughter bonding moment' and 'how amazing that Blue is this talented as such a young age' and I just thought... am I looking at something entirely different?
 
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I’m sick to death of Blue being pushed into all of our faces. She’s 12, let her be a child instead of having her up on stage. The same people praising her would drag Kim K for North. It’s pathetic. All these celebs need to keep their kids off the stage and let them forgr their own path. I firmly believe the allegations against Jay Z, Beyoncé always seems like drugged up dumbass to me. Her star is fading fast
 
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100% agree re: blue. I felt so sorry for her, watching the halftime show - she didn't smile once, she was stiff and clearly so focused on the moves. And why wouldn't she be, she's 12 years old, it must be terrifying to know the world is watching. But then I saw all the comments on Twitter of 'what a wonderful mother-daughter bonding moment' and 'how amazing that Blue is this talented as such a young age' and I just thought... am I looking at something entirely different?
Did the other dancers smile?
 
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I hate to say it because it’s incredibly ageist and perhaps misogynistic but I’m starting to think she’s getting too old to be doing all that. She’s still a great performer but the high energy dancing feels very forced now.

I saw her on tour year before last and she was quite layed back with dancing kept to a minimum which was blamed on a knee injury but she is 43 now, it’s okay to slow it down.

I think she can come across a bit desperate to appear young and sexy, like the cringe Pamela Anderson dress up for Halloween 😬

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Saying that though I disagree that her star is fading, she still has a huge fan base and still selling albums and tickets to stadium concerts
 
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