Jack Monroe #541 First do no honk

MurielSnark · Sep 10, 2023

phoebuscartel said:
Still thinking about supermarket prices if there is a diagnosed gifted Frau who knows about this I’d love to know more. Is it inevitable that price increases will affect those on lowest incomes the most? Because anyone who is currently making more expensive retail choices has the option to trade down to basics and cut things out, but those who have already done that have no choice left but to bear price increases. If that’s the case what is the VBI meant to do? What policy could change that situation?

I don't have any specialised knowledge of supermarket pricing, beyond being a consumer on a fixed, low income.

I suppose what the Tik Tocker has shown with her Asda analysis is that, despite all the big supermarkets publicly stating that they were protecting and, in some cases, expanding their value ranges during the cost of living crisis, these prices have risen too, along with everything else. So they haven't beaten inflation.

A properly trained person would be able to assess whether value ranges rose in price faster or slower than other inflationary increases. And, whether people on low incomes were then proportionately more or less able to manage the increasing costs of living.

That was the supposed premise of the VBI, which, in itself, wasn't a terrible idea. It's just that Jack has no clue as to how to run such a massive research project and has no ability to create a team or work in partnership or learn anything about household economics. Collecting people's shopping receipts and visiting regional branches of supermarkets in some sort of poverty shopping tour was never going to cut it and the ONS likely agreed when they had that one, informal, not-minuted meeting with Jack and never worked with her.

Your point about trading down to cheaper offerings is relevant. For the most part, people struggling to buy the same basket of value items will now be leaving stuff out in order to balance the household budget or will be turning to food banks or charities to help make up the difference. So, the churches and charities are picking up the slack in this crisis.

Since these charities are mostly funded by individual supporter donations, these become a form of voluntary tax on the civic minded who donate out of concern about poverty. It's not a useful way to redistribute wealth in a society.

And govt gets to keep pushing its small state, austerity policies because they know the charity sector will try to provide a safety net -- except that safety net is piecemeal and threadbare and is now stretching beyond even what the charities can do.

Foxvint · Sep 10, 2023

I wonder why Jack who keeps nothing private including lurid descriptions of her fanny has never posted any pregnancy pics. It seems the sort of thing she'd be all over. Narcs love to do the I was the most pregnant woman ever thing. I suspect her pregnancy wasn't a very happy time for her, I imagine it was a shock to Dave and Ev, it sounds like they tried to give her a foot up with a stable job in the fire service, they must have been aware of her being challenging and an odd bod and suddenly she's having a baby with a man she's never even been in a relationship with. I think the sort of attitudes she's always pretended were projected onto her as a single mum are their sort of attitudes but laid out more bluntly. If they've fostered she probably heard for years that single mums were part of the root problem of the kids. I reckon part of getting pregnant could've been a big fuck you to them. I don't buy that she just loves babies cos she's stopped at the one. I know she hasn't been in a stable long term relationship but that wouldn't stop her this time anymore than it did the first. Ppl as entitled as her hunt down what they want. She's breadcrumbed all kinds of losses aswell and I've always wondered if part of the thousands she's steamed through could've gone on unsuccessful ivf which couldn't be revealed given that it really couldn't be spun as activism for the povs.

Could be totally and utterly wrong ofc but I just don't see where these stolen thousands have gone. Certainly not on creating great memories for the 1 she's got.

phoebuscartel · Sep 10, 2023

Thank you dear hearts @MurielSnark and @Seaford Haggington (I often wonder whether you have any connection with Seaford? Or just with sea hags)

griftalo · Sep 10, 2023

Copacapybara said:
Frauen might be cautiously intrigued by DIY Jamboree Abomination ice cream (not by guest, it’s a retro biscuit ice-cream project by some dude who probably now spends most of his time at Endocrinology attending interminable diabetes clinics.)

Retro Biscuit Ice Cream #2 - Jamboree (Jam Mallow)

This post started life as Jammy Dodger ice cream, but while vanilla ice cream with bits of biscuit and jam sounded OK in theory, in practise...

fishfingersarnie.blogspot.com

Would using jam mallows in the ice cream not have given a more authentic taste? I’m confused

MurielSnark · Sep 10, 2023

Foxvint said:
I wonder why Jack who keeps nothing private including lurid descriptions of her fanny has never posted any pregnancy pics. It seems the sort of thing she'd be all over. Narcs love to do the I was the most pregnant woman ever thing. I suspect her pregnancy wasn't a very happy time for her, I imagine it was a shock to Dave and Ev, it sounds like they tried to give her a foot up with a stable job in the fire service, they must have been aware of her being challenging and an odd bod and suddenly she's having a baby with a man she's never even been in a relationship with. I think the sort of attitudes she's always pretended were projected onto her as a single mum are their sort of attitudes but laid out more bluntly. If they've fostered she probably heard for years that single mums were part of the root problem of the kids. I reckon part of getting pregnant could've been a big fuck you to them. I don't buy that she just loves babies cos she's stopped at the one. I know she hasn't been in a stable long term relationship but that wouldn't stop her this time anymore than it did the first. Ppl as entitled as her hunt down what they want. She's breadcrumbed all kinds of losses aswell and I've always wondered if part of the thousands she's steamed through could've gone on unsuccessful ivf which couldn't be revealed given that it really couldn't be spun as activism for the povs.

Could be totally and utterly wrong ofc but I just don't see where these stolen thousands have gone. Certainly not on creating great memories for the 1 she's got.

BiB???

Where has she said she loves babies? Cos (apart from that one probable lie where she claimed to hold some stranger's babby on a train), she only ever talks about her own kid and that's in less-than-loving terms. To me, she seems to find her kid a massive inconvenience, a drain on her finances and, very occasionally, a foil for her deluded parenting tips. As so many others have said, he's just a prop for her dramas and her pov single mother grift.

I hope to everlasting fuck that she never brings another child into this world and that any kids she has contact with are buffered by safe and loving adults who see Monroe for what she is.

phoebuscartel · Sep 10, 2023

MurielSnark said:
I don't have any specialised knowledge of supermarket pricing, beyond being a consumer on a fixed, low income.

I suppose what the Tik Tocker has shown with her Asda analysis is that, despite all the big supermarkets publicly stating that they were protecting and, in some cases, expanding their value ranges during the cost of living crisis, these prices have risen too, along with everything else. So they haven't beaten inflation.

A properly trained person would be able to assess whether value ranges rose in price faster or slower than other inflationary increases. And, whether people on low incomes were then proportionately more or less able to manage the increasing costs of living.

That was the supposed premise of the VBI, which, in itself, wasn't a terrible idea. It's just that Jack has no clue as to how to run such a massive research project and has no ability to create a team or work in partnership or learn anything about household economics. Collecting people's shopping receipts and visiting regional branches of supermarkets in some sort of poverty shopping tour was never going to cut it and the ONS likely agreed when they had that one, informal, not-minuted meeting with Jack and never worked with her.

Your point about trading down to cheaper offerings is relevant. For the most part, people struggling to buy the same basket of value items will now be leaving stuff out in order to balance the household budget or will be turning to food banks or charities to help make up the difference. So, the churches and charities are picking up the slack in this crisis.

Since these charities are mostly funded by individual supporter donations, these become a form of voluntary tax on the civic minded who donate out of concern about poverty. It's not a useful way to redistribute wealth in a society.

And govt gets to keep pushing its small state, austerity policies because they know the charity sector will try to provide a safety net -- except that safety net is piecemeal and threadbare and is now stretching beyond even what the charities can do.

What a desperately sad situation it is. Let’s all xeet “Tories Out”. That will help people struggling to make ends meet.

I don’t envy the people at the supermarkets making pricing decisions. Seems like an ethical nightmare. The people paying for middle of the road ranges are also living through a cost of living crisis even if they aren’t at the point of turning to a food bank and I’m glad I don’t have to decide which cost increases to absorb and which to pass on.

griftalo · Sep 10, 2023

MurielSnark said:
I don't have any specialised knowledge of supermarket pricing, beyond being a consumer on a fixed, low income.

I suppose what the Tik Tocker has shown with her Asda analysis is that, despite all the big supermarkets publicly stating that they were protecting and, in some cases, expanding their value ranges during the cost of living crisis, these prices have risen too, along with everything else. So they haven't beaten inflation.

A properly trained person would be able to assess whether value ranges rose in price faster or slower than other inflationary increases. And, whether people on low incomes were then proportionately more or less able to manage the increasing costs of living.

That was the supposed premise of the VBI, which, in itself, wasn't a terrible idea. It's just that Jack has no clue as to how to run such a massive research project and has no ability to create a team or work in partnership or learn anything about household economics. Collecting people's shopping receipts and visiting regional branches of supermarkets in some sort of poverty shopping tour was never going to cut it and the ONS likely agreed when they had that one, informal, not-minuted meeting with Jack and never worked with her.

Your point about trading down to cheaper offerings is relevant. For the most part, people struggling to buy the same basket of value items will now be leaving stuff out in order to balance the household budget or will be turning to food banks or charities to help make up the difference. So, the churches and charities are picking up the slack in this crisis.

Since these charities are mostly funded by individual supporter donations, these become a form of voluntary tax on the civic minded who donate out of concern about poverty. It's not a useful way to redistribute wealth in a society.

And govt gets to keep pushing its small state, austerity policies because they know the charity sector will try to provide a safety net -- except that safety net is piecemeal and threadbare and is now stretching beyond even what the charities can do.

There’s sometimes a huge difference in amount of product for cost if you can afford the extra for a different size, (not necessarily the biggest - as these are often worse value) or sometimes the more expensive product will be part of an offer where you get a product free. Someone said once it’s expensive to be poor and it’s true. You can’t stock up on a temporary offer at a good price if you can only afford the cheapest product.
I do wonder if the few pence added on each of the value ranges could have been offset by adding to the more expensive lines.

Seaford Haggington · Sep 10, 2023

phoebuscartel said:
Thank you dear hearts @MurielSnark and @Seaford Haggington (I often wonder whether you have any connection with Seaford? Or just with sea hags)

The Sea Hag is Popeye's nemesis, but I wanted to create something unique for the name.

Copacapybara · Sep 10, 2023

Foxvint said:
I blame social media for the amount of Main Characters we have now. It's as though people are performing their lives rather than living them. A plate of food is put in front of them and the phone immediately comes out to post it. Photos are no longer for remembering a great day with friends but for peacocking your fabulous life where you're having all of the fun. I'm convinced certain events are only for social media like these godawful gender reveals that are suddenly a thing. All for those ego stroking likes. So many people aren’t present in their own lives anymore, they're just recording them. At a concert that artist they love is right in front of them and they're still looking at them through a screen to post their clips later.

The dopamine hits and validation is the real addiction someone like Jack has. You can curate an online life that bears no relation to your real one as she's done for a decade with her bae caught me sleeping/tangle of limbs/SB insisted on taking this pic/fake anecdotes.

I've wondered whether we're doing something similar to SM on here but I don't think we are. We're anon, we don't know each others names or faces and the posts aren't even about us let alone about show boating the life we want people to see.

I think not having personal photos equalizes things in a really interesting way and you hear about people who are completely different. It levels things out. It reminds me a lot of early 2000s internet where it was much more about things you loved and making interesting things and hearing different perspectives. More about stuff/action than the self, much like real life really.

I really like knitting and dressmaking, and it’s depressing that so many people make one thing, gain very little skill, then jump at ‘monetising’ it by turning into some minor Youtube celebrity doing sponsored promos for crap material and bunging up endless ads.

Foxvint · Sep 10, 2023

MurielSnark said:
BiB???

Where has she said she loves babies? Cos (apart from that one probable lie where she claimed to hold some stranger's babby on a train), she only ever talks about her own kid and that's in less-than-loving terms. To me, she seems to find her kid a massive inconvenience, a drain on her finances and, very occasionally, a foil for her deluded parenting tips. As so many others have said, he's just a prop for her dramas and her pov single mother grift.

I hope to everlasting fuck that she never brings another child into this world and that any kids she has contact with are buffered by safe and loving adults who see Monroe for what she is.

She hasn't! I just mean it's a reasonable thing to assume when someone gets pregnant young in a country with access to reliable contraception and abortion. She's done the my-ovaries-just-sighed thing over holding a baby but as you say that's about her feelings, her desires. It's about signalling you're a fertile woman in your prime having all of the sex aswell imo. Same as her constant references to her tits and nakedness.

MurielSnark · Sep 10, 2023

phoebuscartel said:
What a desperately sad situation it is. Let’s all xeet “Tories Out”. That will help people struggling to make ends meet.

I don’t envy the people at the supermarkets making pricing decisions. Seems like an ethical nightmare. The people paying for middle of the road ranges are also living through a cost of living crisis even if they aren’t at the point of turning to a food bank and I’m glad I don’t have to decide which cost increases to absorb and which to pass on.

Yeah, the whole food system is so unbelievably complicated when you look at things like agricultural costs and prices, increases or decreases in govt (or EU) subsidies, the massive issues around logistics and supply chains and transporting fresh and shelf-life produce from all over the country and the world just so that every consumer at, say, Tesco has the same access to the same fresh bananas or tinned fish, all available at every branch and online, and at the same price. It's fascinating but much too complex for my brain, let alone smol pixie brains.

HotesTilaire · Sep 10, 2023

phoebuscartel said:
Still thinking about supermarket prices if there is a diagnosed gifted Frau who knows about this I’d love to know more. Is it inevitable that price increases will affect those on lowest incomes the most? Because anyone who is currently making more expensive retail choices has the option to trade down to basics and cut things out, but those who have already done that have no choice left but to bear price increases. If that’s the case what is the VBI meant to do? What policy could change that situation?

I think that under capitalism, the VBI would be saying “it’s costly to be poor whilst the rich stay rich” but I’m no Karl or Groucho

MurielSnark · Sep 10, 2023

Foxvint said:
She hasn't! I just mean it's a reasonable thing to assume when someone gets pregnant young in a country with access to reliable contraception and abortion. She's done the my-ovaries-just-sighed thing over holding a baby but as you say that's about her feelings, her desires. It's about signalling you're a fertile woman in your prime having all of the sex aswell imo. Same as her constant references to her tits and nakedness.

She's hideous. I never want to read anything about her ovaries ever again.

Any of those breadcrumbing tactics trying to lure a rich spouse looking for a babymaker are just too manipulative to contemplate. Fortunately (and I say this advisedly, knowing how tricky and emotional fertility is for so many women), she will be less and less fertile as her middle years approach and that is a very good thing for the planet, IMHO.
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HotesTilaire said:
I think that under capitalism, the VBI would be saying “it’s costly to be poor whilst the rich stay rich” but I’m no Karl or Groucho

Got it in one Hotes. Put that in a tweet with a link to your PayPal and you'll soon be coining it.

StewPots · Sep 10, 2023

Valiofthedolls said:
Ah yes, in 2013 15 year old Jack was greedy guzzling down dolcelatte walnut vermouth pasta
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2016 teenage Jack walked the long long walk to and from school because= eating disorder (SEVERE) and the same 15 year old Jack who greedy guzzled the dolcelatte pasta had a 20 inch waist.
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By 2018 though, teenage Jack walked the exact same long long walk so she could afford her lovely lovely pot of coronation chicken and chips
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By Shattenstone though, she was an anorexic teenager again and was MAGICALLY CURED BY PIES!
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Except she’d already told Twitter in 2022 that she was CURED BY THE FIRE SERVICE before she got pregnant and took the “pie cure”, oh and that her ED started when she was nine not twelve as she told Shattenstone not even a year later. View attachment 2439136ETA here’s where she said she stopped eating at age 9
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Also, 2016 remained “prepubescent” until she started getting better as an adult and suddenly grew tits
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2015 hated her breast since puberty and started binding them at school.
View attachment 2439167 View attachment 2439168she’s a fucking disgusting dangerous liar and there is nothing she will not lie about or weaponize.

Just reading through all these in one go…it’s astonishing that NO ONE in the mainstream media has done exactly this and tan an exposé on her??

So many different, awful traumatic things that REAL people have been through and she’s taken them all and lied and monetised it for personal gain and attention.

Just sat here open mouthed and shaking my head at not just Guest but at the morons at the Guardian et al who have systematically let this happen, with no regard for the mental health of SA / ED / SH / abuse survivors. And that’s on top of all the illnesses she fakes too!!

Jack and her band of moronic journo mates should be fucking ashamed of themselves. But they won’t be, because they don’t care about anyone but themselves at the end of the day.

Disgusting. Both that lying fucking toe rag and her pathetic followers and stans. Fuck off.

Foxvint · Sep 10, 2023

The supermarkets could always pay parasite shareholders slightly less to freeze the cos of the basics range but that's apparently inconceivable.

I object to being asked 3 times per shop to donate to this and that in a COL crisis in all honesty. I'm on a budget and haven't had a pay rise in 2 years. No i don't want to round up the cost of my basket that's a 3rd more than last year to donate at the till. Or be accosted by a charity salesperson shouting ello smiler at me as I walk out. It's tone deaf in these times. Especially in deprived working class areas. If I want to donate my pittance of disposable income to a charity I'll do some research and find one that serves a cause close to my heart. Mr Tesco CEO can donate his massive bonus, not nag me for my overdraft.

Copacapybara · Sep 10, 2023

MurielSnark said:
I don't have any specialised knowledge of supermarket pricing, beyond being a consumer on a fixed, low income.

I suppose what the Tik Tocker has shown with her Asda analysis is that, despite all the big supermarkets publicly stating that they were protecting and, in some cases, expanding their value ranges during the cost of living crisis, these prices have risen too, along with everything else. So they haven't beaten inflation.

A properly trained person would be able to assess whether value ranges rose in price faster or slower than other inflationary increases. And, whether people on low incomes were then proportionately more or less able to manage the increasing costs of living.

That was the supposed premise of the VBI, which, in itself, wasn't a terrible idea. It's just that Jack has no clue as to how to run such a massive research project and has no ability to create a team or work in partnership or learn anything about household economics. Collecting people's shopping receipts and visiting regional branches of supermarkets in some sort of poverty shopping tour was never going to cut it and the ONS likely agreed when they had that one, informal, not-minuted meeting with Jack and never worked with her.

Your point about trading down to cheaper offerings is relevant. For the most part, people struggling to buy the same basket of value items will now be leaving stuff out in order to balance the household budget or will be turning to food banks or charities to help make up the difference. So, the churches and charities are picking up the slack in this crisis.

Since these charities are mostly funded by individual supporter donations, these become a form of voluntary tax on the civic minded who donate out of concern about poverty. It's not a useful way to redistribute wealth in a society.

And govt gets to keep pushing its small state, austerity policies because they know the charity sector will try to provide a safety net -- except that safety net is piecemeal and threadbare and is now stretching beyond even what the charities can do.

What it looks like on a cursory glance is that the cheapest stuff is far more expensive now, plus a lot of the cheapest discount ranges seem to have been removed in favour of the next-cheapest version (think text-only packets swapped with the slightly fancier labelled-ones with actual pictures and all).

CabalofBolorneaise · Sep 10, 2023

Copacapybara said:
What it looks like on a cursory glance is that the cheapest stuff is far more expensive now, plus a lot of the cheapest discount ranges seem to have been removed in favour of the next-cheapest version (think text-only packets swapped with the slightly fancier labelled-ones with actual pictures and all).

The value ranges are almost all still there, Jack's claim they weren't was based on Shoeburyness Asda not having the cheapest rice on one of her visits and Tesco and Sainsburys having recently rebranded their essentials ranges entirely so when she searched for the former name on their websites, she got nothing.

Copacapybara · Sep 10, 2023

MurielSnark said:
BiB???

Where has she said she loves babies? Cos (apart from that one probable lie where she claimed to hold some stranger's babby on a train), she only ever talks about her own kid and that's in less-than-loving terms. To me, she seems to find her kid a massive inconvenience, a drain on her finances and, very occasionally, a foil for her deluded parenting tips. As so many others have said, he's just a prop for her dramas and her pov single mother grift.

I hope to everlasting fuck that she never brings another child into this world and that any kids she has contact with are buffered by safe and loving adults who see Monroe for what she is.

I can see why someone would want IVF to be a private thing so it’s an interesting thought. That would be very understandable.

Having said that she doesn’t seem averse to sharing very personal stuff and I can’t imagine most people being such arseholes as to attack someone for publically pursuing fertility treatment (I may be being very naiive here!).

BeardyBap · Sep 10, 2023

I've seen the Potato Head pic many times and never understood the references to him having been Facetuned. Enough has been said today to Google the chap.
Oh my word.
That pic she posted now looks like it's a portrait of his half-brother. Done in pastels. Possibly underwater.
I'm going to be charitable and say she was doing a bang-up job of protecting his identity. His nearest & dearest would have to look twice.

Nonah · Sep 10, 2023

MurielSnark said:
Yeah, the whole food system is so unbelievably complicated when you look at things like agricultural costs and prices, increases or decreases in govt (or EU) subsidies, the massive issues around logistics and supply chains and transporting fresh and shelf-life produce from all over the country and the world just so that every consumer at, say, Tesco has the same access to the same fresh bananas or tinned fish, all available at every branch and online, and at the same price. It's fascinating but much too complex for my brain, let alone smol pixie brains.

And then access to fuel and cooking know-how and utensils… it’s a monster of a subject.

Jack Monroe #541 First do no honk

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