The horrific social media addiction doesn’t help.Iwonder what it 🪿 could be
Does it matter what your intentions are, though? I intend to be a good law abiding citizen, so if I steal a mars bar, maybe it’s a mistake.
If I steal a mars bar every week, it’s not really a mistake is it? Either I’m having some medical issue, or I’m a big thief.
If I kept stealing a mars bar from the man in the shop, I’d get someone to come in the shop with me and say I’m sorry, I don’t know how it happens please kick me out if I come in the shop again. I’d pay in advance for a box of mars bars in case I nicked one again by mistake. I’d see my GP. I’d really try to not steal mars bars.
Or you keep doing it and justify it in your head like, I know this is wrong but I deserve a treat, or, the mars bars company makes money hand over fist so my taking this won't hurt them any. (Which of course ignores the impact that it has on the shopkeeper and the supplier, and the other customers who might now have to pay higher prices to cover the loss.)Does it matter what your intentions are, though? I intend to be a good law abiding citizen, so if I steal a mars bar, maybe it’s a mistake.
If I steal a mars bar every week, it’s not really a mistake is it? Either I’m having some medical issue, or I’m a big thief.
If I kept stealing a mars bar from the man in the shop, I’d get someone to come in the shop with me and say I’m sorry, I don’t know how it happens please kick me out if I come in the shop again. I’d pay in advance for a box of mars bars in case I nicked one again by mistake. I’d see my GP. I’d really try to not steal mars bars.
Well you can’t prove intentions or feelings, so it makes it hard to confirm or deny. Smells manipulative to me.
And I don’t really think she’s well intentioned, she just knows the right things to say to make it appear that way.
Which is fine, but I’m not being well-intentioned if I keep doing it. I’m justifying doing it because the consequences don’t matter, aren’t great enough to deter me?Or you keep doing it and justify it in your head like, I know this is wrong but I deserve a treat, or, the mars bars company makes money hand over fist so my taking this won't hurt them any. (Which of course ignores the impact that it has on the shopkeeper and the supplier, and the other customers who might now have to pay higher prices to cover the loss.)
The Hattenstone thing is interestingTo continue from the previous thread, I think she is delusional and has a view of herself completely distorted from the reality. She’s convinced herself she lived in poverty, convinced herself that her backstory is all entirely true and convinced herself she’s this excellent maverick cook.
I believe when she sets up things like the kickstarter, the Patreon and even the Sue Lee fiasco, she genuinely thinks she’s going to deliver what she’s promised even though anyone else can easily see she won’t. (this doesn’t excuse that she doesn’t in any way)
I believe she believed she was moving and all the delaying now is because it was never going to happen in reality.
Consequently I think she saw the Shattenstone article as a lovely one written by her mate.
If she hadn’t, she’d have gone hard on how he’d taken advantage of her when the lecturer and others, entirely rightly, pointed out the issues with the setting for most of it. She was gifted an out, an opportunity to say she’d been put in an awful situation and then had her words twisted that Shattenstone and the Guardian would have found very hard to deny or deflect from - and she didn’t, because she genuinely thought that article made her look great.
Something is very, very off with the way she views everything and I think it’s getting worse as time goes on.
Oh, I wasn't saying this was evidence of good intentions. It's things someone would tell themselves if they were convincing themselves that they had good intentions.Which is fine, but I’m not being well-intentioned if I keep doing it. I’m justifying doing it because the consequences don’t matter, aren’t great enough to deter me?
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We were talking about having a good heart, and the right intentions!Oh, I wasn't saying this was evidence of good intentions. It's things someone would tell themselves if they were convincing themselves that they had good intentions.
She was trying to lovebomb/hoover him in. Her defence of him was an extension of that.The Hattenstone thing is interesting
She has a wierd habit of becoming very overly familiar with people she meets professionally. We've seen it a few times - Matt, Marcus, Martin Lewis, Kit de Waal - I'm sure there are others.
So in this interview with Shattenstone, which lasted many hours, she turns on her dubious charms, shows off terribly saying outrageous things to impress him, and likes to think they have a special and unique bond. So any justified criticism of the interview (and as you say which could've been a marvellous get out clause for her) she gets all 'Ackshully you wouldn't understand, I now consider Simon a dear friend'. I don't think her ego would accept he didn't fall for her smol quirky strangely attractive ways, and just viewed her dispassionately as a not terribly interesting bullshitting person he was paid to interview.
What is sad is I now never trust the intentions or story of anyone online. guest has caused that. I think she probably does think it's all true. But that's not the same as it being true. I don't buy into any of this "my truth" stuff people spout. Things either happen or they dont. You either sent your postcards or you didn't. People are either happy with their donations going somewhere other than a straight refund back or they aren't. You can't spend your time assuming a result and then filling in the blanks with what you think. That's not reality and if everyone lived like that, there would be chaos.We were talking about having a good heart, and the right intentions!
At some point you have to say, Jack this is the 38th month of Patreon and you only sent postcards out once. You’ve also rattled your PayPal to fix your website and fund a court case. You didn’t. Stop saying you‘re going to do something with money, taking money, then not doing the thing.
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She was trying to lovebomb/hoover him in. Her defence of him was an extension of that.
People have to love love love her, or they are ebil and a Tory and yelled “shut your legs” in reality people are indifferent toward her, perhaps polite.The Hattenstone thing is interesting
She has a wierd habit of becoming very overly familiar with people she meets professionally. We've seen it a few times - Matt, Marcus, Martin Lewis, Kit de Waal - I'm sure there are others.
So in this interview with Shattenstone, which lasted many hours, she turns on her dubious charms, shows off terribly saying outrageous things to impress him, and likes to think they have a special and unique bond. So any justified criticism of the interview (and as you say which could've been a marvellous get out clause for her) she gets all 'Ackshully you wouldn't understand, I now consider Simon a dear friend'. I don't think her ego would accept he didn't fall for her smol quirky strangely attractive ways, and just viewed her dispassionately as a not terribly interesting bullshitting person he was paid to interview.
The non-hairy-teacups Turkish barber who gave her the bestest haircut ever, even though he couldn't speaka da Eeenglish good and she had to communicate with him by pointing and gesturingShe has a wierd habit of becoming very overly familiar with people she meets professionally. We've seen it a few times - Matt, Marcus, Martin Lewis, Kit de Waal - I'm sure there are others.
Agree with this. We all fuck up sometimes, but with guest it’s just a constant parade of fuck ups.Does it matter what your intentions are, though? I intend to be a good law abiding citizen, so if I steal a mars bar, maybe it’s a mistake.
If I steal a mars bar every week, it’s not really a mistake is it? Either I’m having some medical issue, or I’m a big thief.
If I kept stealing a mars bar from the man in the shop, I’d get someone to come in the shop with me and say I’m sorry, I don’t know how it happens please kick me out if I come in the shop again. I’d pay in advance for a box of mars bars in case I nicked one again by mistake. I’d see my GP. I’d really try to not steal mars bars.
Got me thinking about how that would go in a criminal court (not that I think she'll be in court anytime soon, don't get excited). Most but not all offences require mens rea or a 'guilty mind' - some kind of intention. (An example of one that doesn't is speeding, doesn't matter how good your intentions were).Well you can’t prove intentions or feelings, so it makes it hard to confirm or deny. Smells manipulative to me
Is bullying calling out poor behaviour / standards?Morning ninnies. Did anyone else see Chris Packham’s piece about his libel case last night?
I had a moment of self reflection about it (full disclosure - I’d had a couple of Saturday night gins). Is what we do here - the mithering and critique - online bullying?
I don't think so.Is what we do here - the mithering and critique - online bullying?
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