... You do realise I am talking about Twelfth Night?
... You do realise I am talking about Twelfth Night?You do realise women weren't actually allowed to act in plays back then, right?
If you refer indiscriminately to 'Shakespeare plays', of which there are many, it can't reasonably be assumed we will all guess the one particular play you're thinking of given that there are lots of issues around women in Shakespeare. Not overly familiar with Twelfth Night personally, but if I recall isn't it one of the rare ones that portrays women as having a lot of power? So not sure what relevance this has to drag.... You do realise I am talking about Twelfth Night?
Lol so because she said she doesn't like drag, you asked her if that means she doesn't like one specific play, that you don't even name? You're hilarious, people like you always clutching at straws to try trip people up when this entire new trans ideology doesn't even have a leg to stand on... You do realise I am talking about Twelfth Night?
If you bothered to read either of the posts by JewelKitty or I replying to you about this, we both clearly acknowledged drag in Shakespeare? So what exactly is your point, if there even is one here?I thought people who hate drag would know about its history and how often it is featured in Shakespeare (in text and contemporary adaptations). My bad
I don't think I've read or watched Shakespeare since A level English. I wish I could pretend this is some big feminist power move, but frankly I just find his plays quite dull on the whole (sorry to any lovers of the Bard!)Yeah I don't get the point you're trying to make either. No one here who said they don't like drag said they were fans of the Twelfth Night, so no hypocrisy there which you seem to be after...
I think there's a big difference between contemporary issues and things which historically were the norm. Just because something is considered wrong in this age doesn't mean it should be scrubbed from use altogether. One can be irked by drag yet still respect the historical context of Shakespeare.I thought people who hate drag would know about its history and how often it is featured in Shakespeare (in text and contemporary adaptations). My bad
I thought people who hate drag would know about its history and how often it is featured in Shakespeare (in text and contemporary adaptations). My bad
It's always the way isn't it? There's just nothing of substance for them to say. I'd be genuinely interested in having a proper discussion about the ins and outs with a willing TRA but they won't because they can't. I saw the other day Jolyon Maugham saying something like 'gender critical women never want to debate me' well Kathleen Stock offered and he's blocked her. She would make mincemeat out of him in a debate, I have no doubt about that. I was in the middle of replying to nothernspaces' previous post about 'refusal of cervical smears will kill people' highlighting the weird jumps of logic made in that post plus the plethora of medical issues for trans people I'd outlined on the previous board. Then saw the whole 'hehe what about Twelfth Night, GOTCHA!' and just thought you know what...if this is the level we're at, I can't be arsed.I think the last few posts illustrate where the desire to be SEEN as inclusive, liberal and progressive outweighs the actual comprehension and consideration of the argument. Therefore defaults to knee jerk to cover up laziness in thinking and protect their ego as “a good person”.
They have got their warm fuzzies from publicly DeFeNdInG pEoPlE’s DiFfEReNcEs of a trending MiNoRiTy GrOuP and that is what it all boils down to isn’t it. Gratifying their own need to be cooed over as a good person.It's always the way isn't it? There's just nothing of substance for them to say. I'd be genuinely interested in having a proper discussion about the ins and outs with a willing TRA but they won't because they can't. I saw the other day Jolyon Maugham saying something like 'gender critical women never want to debate me' well Kathleen Stock offered and he's blocked her. She would make mincemeat out of him in a debate, I have no doubt about that. I was in the middle of replying to nothernspaces' previous post about 'refusal of cervical smears will kill people' highlighting the weird jumps of logic made in that post plus the plethora of medical issues for trans people I'd outlined on the previous board. Then saw the whole 'hehe what about Twelfth Night, GOTCHA!' and just thought you know what...if this is the level we're at, I can't be arsed.
Yep, Virtue Signalling really boils my piss, too.I think the last few posts illustrate where the desire to be SEEN as inclusive, liberal and progressive outweighs the actual comprehension and consideration of the argument. Therefore defaults to knee jerk to cover up laziness in thinking and protect their ego as “a good person”.
This is the thing isn't it - I see sooo often people saying 'nobody is saying you can't call yourself a woman' and it's like, well actually yes you are? You want to call us 'people with cervixes' or 'ciswomen' or, my pet hate, 'womxn.' I have no issue at all with anyone calling themselves a trans woman but they are not biological women and it's important for both groups of us that there is a clear distinction.If i refer to myself as woman/female i am transphobic?
This is totally wrong unless she got permission from JK.So Lucy Jane Wood - who I think at heart is a decent woman - has launched a brand “Gold Dust Road”.
Part of Lucy’s “thing” has been she is a huge HP fan. Unsurprisingly, one of her prints is Potter based, and she’s donating half the profits to fucking TRA driven Mermaids of all things. It makes me a mix of sad, angry and disappointed that she’s cashing in on JKR’s intellectual property AND double whammy of supporting something that Jo is against.
Here’s the link to the print - thoughts? As a warning, don’t read the comments - it’s basically a virtue signalling echo chamber of non trans young women.
I've just taken a look at the website and to be quite honest it's total crap. I can't believe anyone would actually buy this rubbish. No originality and badly executed.So Lucy Jane Wood - who I think at heart is a decent woman - has launched a brand “Gold Dust Road”.
Part of Lucy’s “thing” has been she is a huge HP fan. Unsurprisingly, one of her prints is Potter based, and she’s donating half the profits to fucking TRA driven Mermaids of all things. It makes me a mix of sad, angry and disappointed that she’s cashing in on JKR’s intellectual property AND double whammy of supporting something that Jo is against.
Here’s the link to the print - thoughts? As a warning, don’t read the comments - it’s basically a virtue signalling echo chamber of non trans young women.
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