You are so completely wrong it’s hilarious
You obviously feel attacked by someone questioning your opinions. Perhaps I will leave you to your safe space echo chamber
I have a number of people in my social circles who identify as either non-binary or trans. Some are of the nature you describe, but one I just give up with even speaking to now, as they are of the extreme views that most on this thread are talking about. I accidentally called them “she” and although I apologised (I have grown up with them so it’s a difficult habit to get out of) they stormed off and kicked up a huge fuss, accusing me of being transphobic. The vast majority would not act this way and would understand you are trying your best, but some are absolutely exasperating to interact with when they are this extreme to jump on any minor accident as bigotry. I don’t think for one second anyone on here is disagreeing with what the vast majority of trans people believe, but rather the small minority that seem to be shouting the loudest across social media over anyone that attempts an intelligent debate.
Dysphoria is a mental disorder that literally drives people to suicide. It’s disgusting to see you talk about it so flippantly.
You are misinformed. They absolutely ARE transactivists. That is how TRAs speak to women who believe in biological reality.
Well, you cannot actually change biological sex. That’s the problem. And you’ve missed the point - it’s not that transactivists want to pretend we don’t have vaginas, it’s that they don’t want us to talk about having vaginas, because it makes them feel negative feelings.
Agreed (although you’re kind of bastardizing that quote).
Again, you’re misinformed. Many don’t recognise it’s a separate issue - the conflation of sex and gender, and furthermore, the erasure of biological sex as a concept, is rampant in TRA circles and their ideology. Look it up.
Many women defending sex-based rights ARE gender non-conforming, and many of us speak to transpeople every day, both transpeople who agree with us (delightfully named “truscum” by TRAs) and those who don’t (in the form of arguments and debate).
Then the transpeople you know are probably considered “truscum” by TRAs and therefore won’t be liked or respected by them. Please do some research into what the loudest voices in trans ideology are saying. Your information is outdated and clearly anectdotal.
Your friends aren’t the ones who are trying to silence women, or invade their safe spaces while retaining male genitalia or making literally no effort to transition. These people exist and are in greater numbers and much louder than your friends.
I gave you two. Please research what happened in Wyoming with TRAs attempting to block a bill against FGM. Again, your trans friends are clearly “truscum” and they are not the TRAs who are responsible for this attack on women. Research what is going on.
This isn’t what is happening though. Yet again, you are misinformed. TRAs actively WANT a hypothetical person like this to have male written on their medical records. Gender critical feminists don’t agree with this, because of the issues it can cause, as suggested.
You seem to have entirely misunderstood the gender critical point of view. It’s not about “identifying” as female. People who have vaginas ARE biologically female. You can live how you want, dress how you want, call yourself whatever you want - we don’t care. We do care that because of how you personally identify, we are being told it is “transphobic” to call ourselves women or say things like women have periods. We are constantly being told that penises are female. And we’re the ones denying biological reality??!
Not all trans people experience actual gender dysphoria. Remember how transsexual used to be the term for people with GD? That's now seen as a dirty word by the modern trans ideology as anyone can call themselves a woman if they fancy.
We DO see the injustice. It’s not us trying to negate them - they’re trying to negate us.
Cause of suicide is not recorded anywhere in the UK, there is no way of proving this to be true in any case. This is a disgusting argument.
Yes, it’s a very convenient way of dismissing some of the most disgusting rhetoric against women, isn’t it?
It’s so incredibly MALE. The difference between TRA and MRA is becoming more and more negligible.
I just see it as illogical so would welcome an explanation if there’s something I’m missing.I don’t think you’re missing anything, you’re spot on and you’ve explained yourself well. I agree with every word. Gender critical (clue is in the name!) and radical feminists want exactly what you’ve described - the abolition of gender roles and stereotypes.I’m actually genuinely confused with the whole ideology, because the whole gender thing I have an issue with. They constantly argue that sex and gender are separate, and that it is a gender issue and therefore has nothing to do with biological sex when people say that they are still men (for trans women).
Yet a lot of the male to female transitions I see have very exaggerated feminine characteristics - breast implants, long hair, makeup, nails painted, wearing dresses. It’s the perception of femininity that they seem to project that makes them feel more comfortable. However, these are just gender stereotypes of women, and biological women are hardly all like this. So, if it’s simply about gender stereotypes, is it not a vicious cycle that they are perpetuating by emphasising all of these characteristics to be on women, and not men? Why must you feel the need to “be” a woman, and identity as a woman, to be able to do this? Is that what makes you apparently a woman, just by gender stereotypes?
Hypothetically wouldn’t it simply be better for everyone if we abolished the whole concept of gender altogether and you just do what you want - i.e. you can still get breast implants, grow your hair out but also still agree you are a man, and still be separated into biological men and women regardless of how we look? And to work towards a society where it’s socially acceptable for a man to be feminine and do whatever they want (and vice versa for women)? I just don’t understand the logic behind this and then the jump to changing sex and then legally or otherwise stating you are a woman. Because it doesn’t seem to be an issue with their sex, but just the socially acceptable views of how men should look that they don’t connect with.
I haven’t really explained myself well as I can’t really think of the words of how to describe it, but I hope people see what I’m getting at
This. This! I am sick of seeing people on social media (especially Twitter) saying that if you don't agree with the newer suggested terminology, if you don't publicly denounce the latest celeb that has said something that you are categorically a TERF, hateful, scum. Today, an online friend on Twitter put 'I hope non of my friends will continue to follow JK
else you should unfollow me'.Why should that fuckwit think they have the right to tell other people who they should follow? What they should think? and what they should do?This. This! I am sick of seeing people on social media (especially Twitter) saying that if you don't agree with the newer suggested terminology, if you don't publicly denounce the latest celeb that has said something that you are categorically a TERF, hateful, scum. Today, an online friend on Twitter put 'I hope non of my friends will continue to follow JK
Yes, you are spot on. The abolition of gender should be the aim for the liberation of both the sexes, and trans ideology pushes us further and further away from that, entrenching gender stereotypes and now butchering their bodies to fit those limits. Their bodies were never wrong in the first place; society's expectations were wrong. That's what needs to change.I’m actually genuinely confused with the whole ideology, because the whole gender thing I have an issue with. They constantly argue that sex and gender are separate, and that it is a gender issue and therefore has nothing to do with biological sex when people say that they are still men (for trans women).
Yet a lot of the male to female transitions I see have very exaggerated feminine characteristics - breast implants, long hair, makeup, nails painted, wearing dresses. It’s the perception of femininity that they seem to project that makes them feel more comfortable. However, these are just gender stereotypes of women, and biological women are hardly all like this. So, if it’s simply about gender stereotypes, is it not a vicious cycle that they are perpetuating by emphasising all of these characteristics to be on women, and not men? Why must you feel the need to “be” a woman, and identity as a woman, to be able to do this? Is that what makes you apparently a woman, just by gender stereotypes?
Hypothetically wouldn’t it simply be better for everyone if we abolished the whole concept of gender altogether and you just do what you want - i.e. you can still get breast implants, grow your hair out but also still agree you are a man, and still be separated into biological men and women regardless of how we look? And to work towards a society where it’s socially acceptable for a man to be feminine and do whatever they want (and vice versa for women)? I just don’t understand the logic behind this and then the jump to changing sex and then legally or otherwise stating you are a woman. Because it doesn’t seem to be an issue with their sex, but just the socially acceptable views of how men should look that they don’t connect with.
I haven’t really explained myself well as I can’t really think of the words of how to describe it, but I hope people see what I’m getting at
