This is also what brave looks like can you imagine being one of the few in that hostile psychopathic environment? Brave brave woman.
What I meant was not the Palestinians specifically, just anger passed down through trauma. That could be directed at anyone, unfortunately it's them. So the anger and trauma is passed on not from the event of the holocaust itself, but genetically through the generations.Im struggling to see a connection with why the Israelis would dislike Arabs when the Holocaust occurred in Europe at the hands of the European and despite the horrors that were inflicted on them, the US, their closest alley, refused Jewish immigrants. Surely there is nobody so far removed from their trauma than the Palestinians?
It’s a tough call and quite a dangerous precedent to set because if we take that approach for people’s actions based on their historical anger and trauma then we would have to offer that as a defence to violent criminals like murders, sex offenders etc. Determining what the line is for historical trauma would be a minefieldWhat I meant was not the Palestinians specifically, just anger passed down through trauma. That could be directed at anyone, unfortunately it's them. So the anger and trauma is passed on not from the event of the holocaust itself, but genetically through the generations.
It's just something I've read about before and there's been studies on itIt’s a tough call and quite a dangerous precedent to set because if we take that approach for people’s actions based on their historical anger and trauma then we would have to offer that as a defence to violent criminals like murders, sex offenders etc. Determining what the line is for historical trauma would be a minefield
Oh I know it’s a thing, but who do we allow to utilise the theory is my question and how far back should we allow it? It’s like I said about my own generational experiences - my ancestors were brutalised, starved and murdered at the hands of the British in Ireland, if I go out and commit a heinous crime, should that be taken into consideration?It's just something I've read about before and there's been studies on it
Can the legacy of trauma be passed down the generations?
Our children and grandchildren are shaped by the genes they inherit from us, but new research is revealing that experiences of hardship or violence can leave their mark too.www.bbc.com
Not saying I'm right or anything, or trying to rationalize actions, it was just something I'd read before where the studies seem to be growing. I don't want to turn this into an Irish thread, but even though similar, they are still different situations. And with Israel I'm talking two or three generations back as it's a relatively new country.Oh I know it’s a thing, but who do we allow to utilise the theory is my question and how far back should we allow it? It’s like I said about my own generational experiences - my ancestors were brutalised, starved and murdered at the hands of the British in Ireland, if I go out and commit a heinous crime, should that be taken into consideration?
This is the point though isn’t it, you’re saying that the behaviour of those children in Israel could utilise it, but then you would have to agree that Hamas have generational trauma and therefore that excuses their actions. You see, it can’t be exclusive particularly in Palestine, the same set of rules have to be applied to all.Not saying I'm right or anything, or trying to rationalize actions, it was just something I'd read before where the studies seem to be growing. I don't want to turn this into an Irish thread, but even though similar, they are still different situations. And with Israel I'm talking two or three generations back as it's a relatively new country.
I said in the original post that they too would now have generational trauma.This is the point though isn’t it, you’re saying that the behaviour of those children in Israel could utilise it, but then you would have to agree that Hamas have generational trauma and therefore that excuses their actions. You see, it can’t be exclusive particularly in Palestine, the same set of rules have to be applied to all.
Who Hamas? So you would say that 7/10 could be rationalised through Generational trauma - ok I can get on board with that theory. It’s just you only mentioned the holocaust.I said in the original post that they too would now have generational trauma.
As you've read my original quote, I will leave you to your theories.Who Hamas? So you would say that 7/10 could be rationalised through Generational trauma - ok I can get on board with that theory. It’s just you only mentioned the holocaust.
It was your theory I simply asked for clarity on it.As you've read my original quote, I will leave you to your theories.
As I keep saying, it was clarified in my first post.It was your theory I simply asked for clarity on it.
So the answer is yes- it can only be yes because If you can suggest some young Israelis, who are several generations removed from the trauma of the Holocaust, are so angry that they are destroying food for starving humans because of generational trauma, then surely Hamas, who are mostly made up of young Gazan men who not only have 76 years of generational trauma but have themselves experienced horrific trauma, in their very short lives, that they live daily, must also be offered that same principle for their angry actions.
I think we are clear.
It was clarified when you just put a time limit on it. So that allowed me to be clear that you accept the facts I set out. We’re good.As I keep saying, it was clarified in my first post.
I think you're looking for an angle that's not there. But we're just going round a bit now. All good.It was clarified when you just put a time limit on it. So that allowed me to be clear that you accept the facts I set out. We’re good.
Not at all. Your original comment was referring to wondering whether generational trauma causes a young lad to destroy food for starving people. You majored heavily on the Holocaust and gave a footnote of 1 sentence to Palestinians. No angle. Just pointing out that if YOUR angle is generational trauma for actions then I know some other people in this conflict who also must suffer from that same affliction. Quite up and down no corners at all.I think you're looking for an angle that's not there. But we're just going round a bit now. All good.
I mentioned the Holocaust as I was quoting the picture somebody posted. And said that what the Israelis have been doing in Palestine will have now created generational trauma to the people of Gaza. But you were trying to imply that I was favouring one side.Not at all. Your original comment was referring to wondering whether generational trauma causes a young lad to destroy food for starving people. You majored heavily on the Holocaust and gave a footnote of 1 sentence to Palestinians. No angle. Just pointing out that if YOUR angle is generational trauma for actions then I know some other people in this conflict who also must suffer from that same affliction. Quite up and down no corners at all.
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