That’s really not the definition of DARVO, but nice examples of being a narcI assume you mean me. It isn’t DARVO to say that people can have compassion for those in Gaza but also for those being harassed to the extent they almost have a breakdown by Pro-Palestine campaigners - ie Olly Alexander in EV.
What fits the definition of DARVO though is taking me saying “A person with cancer is worse off but someone with the flu still probably feels shit” and responding about a person with a cold complaining to someone with cancer in order to try to twist my words as you were gaslighting me trying to say I’d said something I hadn’t.
It also doesn’t make me a “zio” to think you can care about Palestine but also about other things going on in the world, and in fact that’s it’s entirely normal to be able to do so.
It’s frankly deeply unhealthy to be focused only on Gaza to the extent you get angry at other people displaying compassion to someone who is not part of the conflict but is experiencing relentless harassment and abuse and has been talking about their distress related to it. I genuinely think you taking a break would be a good idea - it doesn’t benefit anyone if you traumatise yourself by focusing so intently on one topic.
If what happened in the Eurovision thread was DARVO, so is that.That’s really not the definition of DARVO, but nice examples of being a narc
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Just like ‘anti-Semitic’ has been absolutely twisted to mean something completely different to those accusing others of it, it seems DARVO is also under threat of being stolen to be used for different purposes too. Just can’t leave anything alone
This thread is about the genocide being carried out by Israelis in Gaza.If what happened in the Eurovision thread was DARVO, so is that.
“it’s ok to twist people’s words and gaslight them by claiming they said something they didn’t as long as I get what I want! Being against genocide means I have the right to do and say anything and anyone else is just evil.” is the most narcy thing on this thread.
You do realise that that’s NOT the point of people posting and resharing content? Or infact, the point of Palestinians sharing it in the first place?If what happened in the Eurovision thread was DARVO, so is that.
“it’s ok to twist people’s words and gaslight them by claiming they said something they didn’t as long as I get what I want! Being against genocide means I have the right to do and say anything and anyone else is just evil.” is the most narcy thing on this thread.
Enjoy making Bibi change his mind by sharing videos of Palestinians at the worst time of their lives and excitedly virtue signalling over them and how this one is even more horrific than the last so you just need to watch it 20 times and share it more. That will really show him. “Oh my god, these people are disgusted, better stop immediately and revaluate my military strategy.” while anyone with a lick of common sense can see he doesn’t give a shit about all the social media posturing, unless of course he can play it to his advantage - which the pro-Palestine movement on social media so far has only served to do for him.
I’ve read some ridiculous stuff in my time, but this…. Gotta be a joke surelyI don't think anyone is thinking Netanyahu is reading tattle or that our posts here are going to change military strategy!!
I know right?Take Eurovision back to the Eurovision thread. Who cares.
Is it Emily Schrader?Who is this Emily woman on Jeremy Vine this morning she’s making my blood boil!!!
Nothing says "we're the good guys" quite like viewing civilian lives as collateral damage for a war with end goals they can't specify.This crackpot. She’s spitting venom about hamas and oCtObeR 7th, agreeing that UK should continue to supply arms to Isreal and implying palestian children are collateral damage
With respect, as a person who believes that both sides are guilty of this conflict, I disagree. It is perfectly possible to be disgusted by the actions of the IDF as it is by the actions of Islamic terrorists. It is also perfectly possible to understand that both sides have what they consider to be justifiable reasons for their actions. The Palestinians and Israelis have been chipping away at each other for a very long time. This will not end until BOTH sides accept that the other has a right to live in peace within agreed secure boundaries. That means that Israel must stop their incursions into what is deemed Palestinian territory and that Palestinians have to stop the suicide bombing and terrorist attacks and accept that Israel isn’t going to disappear. This has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting Israel. I know plenty of neutrals who are horrified at their disproportionate response to 7th October and who want to see Netanyahu and his ultra right wing government removed. They, and I, also want to see the extremist faction of Hamas removed. You are welcome to pick a side and believe that you are right but please don’t put words into other people’s mouths are pretend that they support Israel’s actions. The reality of the situation is that without the attack by Hamas on 7th October we would not be looking at a destroyed Gaza today. That is absolutely not condoning some Israelis actions against Palestinian people and the Israeli ignoring of UN directives. In another forum I am called an antisemite because I have been critical of Netanyahu and the IDF. Here I get labelled as Islamophobic because I criticise Islamic terrorists. It does nobody any favours to throw lazy labels around over a very complex and inflammatory situation that has defied attempts to find a peaceful solution for millennia. And yes I agree, there are not two sides to genocide but to use another unhelpful but true statement, if you stir up a hornets nest, expect to be stung.My take on all this is that the same posters who claim to care about "both sides" seem to only pop up to defend Israel, derail with human rights issues in other Arab countries, or discuss antisemitism. They'd probably argue that it's for "balance" but we're not stupid, we see very clearly what you're doing.
As has been mentioned so many times on here, there are no two sides to a genocide. I don't see anyone rushing to argue bothsideism with genocides in Bosnia or Armenia or Rwanda or Cambodia. Everyone would think you're sick. As vile as antisemitism is, we shouldn't be making excuses just because the perpetrators happen to be Jewish.
With respect, I find it a false claim of complexity to make out that the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts are simply the continuation of the religious conflicts over "the holy land." This argument can be used with respect to the arguments of the Abrahamic faiths over Jerusalem in present day, but making out that the current state of Israel and Palestine is a religious war is used as a way to hand-wave the conflict as "too complex" for peace.With respect, as a person who believes that both sides are guilty of this conflict, I disagree. It is perfectly possible to be disgusted by the actions of the IDF as it is by the actions of Islamic terrorists. It is also perfectly possible to understand that both sides have what they consider to be justifiable reasons for their actions. The Palestinians and Israelis have been chipping away at each other for a very long time. This will not end until BOTH sides accept that the other has a right to live in peace within agreed secure boundaries. That means that Israel must stop their incursions into what is deemed Palestinian territory and that Palestinians have to stop the suicide bombing and terrorist attacks and accept that Israel isn’t going to disappear. This has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting Israel. I know plenty of neutrals who are horrified at their disproportionate response to 7th October and who want to see Netanyahu and his ultra right wing government removed. They, and I, also want to see the extremist faction of Hamas removed. You are welcome to pick a side and believe that you are right but please don’t put words into other people’s mouths are pretend that they support Israel’s actions. The reality of the situation is that without the attack by Hamas on 7th October we would not be looking at a destroyed Gaza today. That is absolutely not condoning some Israelis actions against Palestinian people and the Israeli ignoring of UN directives. In another forum I am called an antisemite because I have been critical of Netanyahu and the IDF. Here I get labelled as Islamophobic because I criticise Islamic terrorists. It does nobody any favours to throw lazy labels around over a very complex and inflammatory situation that has defied attempts to find a peaceful solution for millennia. And yes I agree, there are not two sides to genocide but to use another unhelpful but true statement, if you stir up a hornets nest, expect to be stung.
The Israeli response has been disproportionate but they were never going to let the attack of 7th October go unpunished. Has gave those who want the Palestinians gone a perfect excuse to do exactly what is happening at the moment.
Being neutral and wanting both sides to stop the violence is not supporting Israel. Please stop with this nonsense.
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