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Something in these clever plays needs to be worked into the next title cause lord I holleredDare I say that this whole set up / scheme/ scenario/ evidence just doesn't cut the mustard. It will be no use crying over spilt milk when the judge throws out the case. Ella will regretsowingthrowing her oats so soon.
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Agreed. I am one of four girls. One of my sisters is a narcissist. I honestly don't think my parents knew how to deal with her when she was a child and she got worse with age. She takes no accountability for her behaviour and everyone else is always to blame. I am no contact with her now and it's like a weight has been lifted off me. I have/had a great relationship with my other two sisters (one is now deceased) but all three of us are/were NC with narc sis.I’m a victim of a narc sister. She lead a charmed life with the exception of her illness. She was a bright, beautiful much loved child and the “pet” of the family. What happened? Other than being spoiled and not disciplined I can’t say. But I do know that I didn’t like her even as a young child. You would think we would have been close. She wasn’t a good big sister to me at all.
Sometimes I think people are just born “bad.” My other sister and I often speak about this and we have at times compared her to the Bad Seed. And I would bet anything that Alice has always been this way. Sometimes people turn out this way no matter what the parents do.
I bet if they did they’ll not be released publicly out of respect for Ella because that’s who they are. I imagine if it was Alice she’d be jumping on the bed, spreading the milk round and smearing the mustard all over her face. It would look like a crime scene when she’d finished.
It drives her more crazy when Ioan refuses to respond, she is more likely to trip herself up the crazier she gets. Let her destroy herself online.Nah. Let her swing in the whirlwind she created.
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She needs army boot camp!The suggestion one of you turds made a thread or two ago that Ella go to boarding school was a really good one. It's not something I'm into generally but I don't see how else she learns to develop and be her own self rather than focussed on this mess that isn't hers.
I think having the psychologist present thwarted their plans I'm guessing that's why the exchange took so long at the police station.I read Ella trying to manipulate Ioan to take the girls to the apartment as a ploy to cut off the visitation as opposed to getting him close to Alice for an ambush. The girls would go inside 'to look for the leotard' and then refuse to come out. Ioan could not go in so he would have to give up and leave. Another visitation bites the dust. It's what they - or at least Ella - has done in the last half dozen or so.
This 100% all day long.She doesn't even want to spend one day a week with him. He has a live-in partner who is ill and who has zero relationship with this girl. Believe me, he doesn't want Ella full-time. It would blow up. That would be an untenable situation for all parties. He wants a normal co-parenting relationship, but that isn't going to happen with Alice as his ex-wife. Ella is getting close to the age when she will refuse to see him and it won't be forced anymore.
It shocks me how much she does not seem to love her father, but it is getting harder and harder for me not to come to that conclusion. I get that she has a lot of anger towards her dad and it takes time to work through. I get that having some third party there on their visits observing feels intrusive and is awkward, especially to a teenager already going through a lot hormonally which affects your moods, and it doesn't lend to developing close, bonding moments when he is with Ella. I get why he has the third party, though.
But her behavior towards her father goes so much deeper and further than that. She has become an extension of Alice: the hysteria, the tantrums, the out-of-control anger, the manipulation. It is very clear it was planned that Elsie wouldn't have her leotard with her. That whole paragraph says it all about the manipulation that was going on by Ella and Alice.
"Elsie had forgotten her leotard, so I suggested multiple times that we could go back to our apartment which was a 10-minute drive away, since the dance class was still an hour away. The Respondent refused and drove us to The Grove. The Respondent insisted we get a new leotard. I was overwhelmed by the number of people at The Grove, so I went back into the car. I told him to please leave me in the car and he could go get Elsie a leotard. The Respondent told me that he couldn't leave me alone in the car, so I would have to stay with his psychologist fiiend in the car. I had never met this man before, and he is approximately late 70 to 80 year old. I texted my mother because I started to have a panic attack."
Obviously, the plan all along was to get him to drive to her mom's apartment. "The respondent refused." He's your father. He's not your fucking subordinate or hired lackey. He's your father. You aren't the mother of Elsie. Elsie is his child and he was handling the situation with the leotard as the father, just not to your liking (nor Alice's). Plan thwarted.
Ella can't handle The Grove? She wants to stay in the car alone, and because he won't allow that, she has a panic attack? WTF? The histrionics all come from Alice's behavior. Ella is modeling it, sadly. And then little Elsie has a panic attack also? She had one because Ella was creating a scene and drama. It's clear little Elsie has become Ella's pawn in this game, just like Ella became Alice's pawn in her vendetta against Ioan.
I had previously thought Ioan was being a little awkward and paranoid having a chaperone on hand for visitation. Now that I’m getting the full extent of the Malice, it’s finally clear that the chaperone was to protect him, not the children. That’s both shocking and tragic. I would not seek Ella’s company at least for the near term; it can’t be pleasant for either of them, and is just making things weirder for Elsie.Loopy is obviously wrong with his narrative that not paying all the luxury in the world is abuse, but when you see how crazy entitled Ella is this is exactly what they think, especially since Alice has taught them that Ioan has to pay for everything and pays for nothing (not true). Ella is essentially asking for a restraining order because her father is being a father and not her pushover. Its nuts.
Obviously the request isnt serious, its just meant to hurt him (reputation and personally, all of this is maximum rejection, from the changed names to the order itself), its meant to work as a leverage so Ioan lifts Alice's RO (not because Ioan would get one otherwise, but because she is essentially blackmailing him that she will make his life hell over the kids otherwise, this is basically her final warning shot) and she can get her clutches back on his life (after he and Bianca under all the pressure break up). It's truly terrifying that after all this time she still wants to lure him back to the house: I can only imagine what she plans to do with him there.
Regarding the whole Bianca story: Ella's testimony differs from one declaration to the other (no direct contradictions, but missing key info in one compared to the other) which already changed the context of meeting Bianca. I think we should wait for his version to know for sure. But i wouldnt blame him either way. When you have overnight stays you should expect the 2 years girlfriend to be there, whether the full night or just a bit in the evening before she takes the ride to a friend, just like you expect the chaperone to be there.
The “psychologist friend” that Yo seems to have had as chaperone during visitations, instead of his friend/neighbour Iris. Cos Iris made Ella “uncomfortable”. By existing.Who was the elderly gent in the car that’s being referred to?
It probably wasn’t a panic attack, it was probably pure frustration because he wasn’t following the script they had given him in their head. Leave leotard at home = go back there to fetch it and then initiate the next part of the plan, not taking into account there are actually other options that leave you cooling your heels in a car park.She gets a panic attack in a mall, but has been to a crowded K-pop concert with Alice, and wanted to go to Universal Studios with Ioan?
No, something doesn't seem right. I think this was all a set-up planned by Alice.
He has fought for her though - at great personal and financial cost. If he can’t get anywhere he will eventually need to step back… his mental health counts too.Elsie is ten years old. She's a child. Not in her early teens. I would not think much of him if he severed contact and didn't fight for her. Ella is another story. I wouldn't sever contact. I would at some point this year stop trying to enforce visitation.
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