Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #207 The con was ruff, then she tried to drop the Gruff

[Georgie883]

New video - It is six and a half minutes so you might want to have a loo break and make a drink!

(I know nobody likes a show-off but can you all please pay very close attention to the perfectly timed music change after Bubba and Emma's first kiss!)

Spoiler: The Full Credits

OMG! We are not worthy of you @kingseven It’s just fabulous I have to say my favourite bit that made me cry out with laughter is this

It’s his face! Sitting all alone on that bench!

 

[ButterTart]

LOL we need to make this happen. It would do better than most of AE's oeuvre.
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Except she's trying very hard to get rid of the Gruff!

As if...

Not as hard as the Gruff is trying to get rid of her.

 

[MarmiteMonster]

Sometimes you can judge a person by the company she keeps.

I judge Alice by her brother and other supporters. Nasty, petty and vindictive is one thing but mocking Bianca’s MS is unconscionable.

Yes, simpering Sian you are engaging with accounts that laugh at Multiple Sclerosis.

I won’t even get on to Wolf boy or her real life friends like Lady V.

They are vile.

 

[Georgie883]

She really doesn't want to that's why Dupee scares her shitless. A good mother wouldn't fear being evaluated.

I also think it's sick how enmeshed she is with the kids. She doesn't see them as separate entities at all, ie, if IG leaves her he 'left the kids' and if Dupee evaluates her, she's 'evaluating the kids'.

This is what happens when you have no identity beyond being arm candy for high status men. Now they have gone, she fuses herself to those kids. She needs supervised visitation only. She is terrified of the kids having therapy too. Why I wonder?

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You just know she is showing all the photos of I&B to the kids and saying some snide remarks and ramming home the fact that he chooses B above them. Its awful


As mAlice’s loony brigade don’t believe in PA, I thought I would share this link. I’ve pulled out a paragraph of interest.

What is the key takeaway message for judges, lawyers, legislators, therapists, parents, and others involved in custody decisions? Parental alienation is real and supported by a legitimate and trustworthy foundation of scientific study. Advocates who claim otherwise are wrong and either through ignorance or design are ignoring scientific advances in the field and spreading misinformation.

New Research on the Science of Parental Alienation

In most parts of the world, the law offers no protection for children and parents harmed by this type of psychologically damaging manipulation and persuasion. And in the U.S., some activists are trying very hard to prevent family courts from offering such protection.

ifstudies.org

Although I expect Loopy will beg to differ given his extensive expertise on law and order So, the loon brigade who refuse to acknowledge that PA is a ‘thing’ maybe they should have a look at the old way the courts used to describe specific behaviours from one parent to the other. It all amounts to the same - PA!

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So … Alice, Tony and co are so concerned about what the kids will read online, but it’s cool to post bullshit like them being sent to a clinic to have drugs administered to them when the girls follow their accounts. Or can read them. That’s just a-ok.

And Alice continues her far less than stellar “parenting.”

Exactly this! They are disgusting the whole lot of them. I’ve no other words. Every single one of those toxic twitter lot are just disgusting.

 

[Hiraeth]

I do face yoga. It’s time consuming (20 mins per day) but 100% works.

Not me sitting here slathered in the German Nivea cream from a few threads ago studiously googling face yoga

 

[Ametrine]

I already feel sorry for the person that has to deal with her. The infamous Alice Evans has to be verified!!!

"I have a sick child in the car, so you need to verify me NOW!"

 

[WhatWouldAliceDo]

I so desperately want to meet someone in real life who knows all about this saga and can discuss it. Everyone I know is oblivious to the Alice/Ioan drama.

Tell me about it! My family used to watch Hornblower together as the Sunday night TV special. I mentioned Ioan and his trials and tribulations to my mum and sister (we have Welsh heritage with a v proud Welsh grandmother so we all have an extra soft spot for him). I tried to provide a summary of the absolute madness of the last few years but couldn't choose the most salient points and ended up rambling like a mad...well, like Alice.

I might work on a simple presentation for future victims of mine.

 

[NarcRage]

I am remiss in posting my analysis/summary of the Gruffudd-Evans prenup, so while it’s fairly quiet (except for Alice talking to herself on the internet) I thought I’d post it. I’ve tried not to nerd out on various provisions that have nothing to do with this particular marriage but some nerdiness may get through—sorry!

- First of all, a couple of definitions. In California, “separate property” is property that belongs to one spouse only, and the other spouse has no claim on it. “Community property” is property acquired during marriage that is considered owned by both spouses equally (50/50). In the absence of a prenup, all assets acquired during a marriage in California are considered to be community property, except assets received by gift or inheritance.

- There are a few notes of Alice’s grift here: Ioan had to maintain a $1 million life insurance policy naming Alice as the beneficiary if he were to die; before marriage, Ioan was required to pay all house expenses by himself, even though Alice also lived there; and if Alice makes more than $50,000 before separation, that reduces her spousal support (no wonder she didn’t work).

- Both Ioan and Alice were required to be represented by separate, unaffiliated attorneys per California law. It appears these were good and experienced attorneys based on the quality of the prenup and the way the prenup was signed (initialed on every page, notarized, etc.). Ioan was represented by Forrest Mosten (a name we have all heard before) and Alice was represented by Michelle Katz (who appears to have had nearly 30 years of legal experience at the time this prenup was drafted).

- It appears that this prenup will not be challenged despite Alice’s online comments (see Bernal’s statements in the August 10 hearing).

- In California, prenups are required to be signed no less than 7 days before the wedding. Since this prenup was signed April 16, 2007, it was signed well before the wedding, so no problems at all there. In fact, Alice was given the first draft of the agreement on November 1, 2006 (see page 5).

- Alice represented that she was in “good health” (see page 1), so she didn’t claim any health issues back in 2007.

- Ioan, of course, paid for the legal fees Alice incurred in having this prenup prepared (the beginning of a pattern, it seems).

- Interestingly, the prenup contains a provision that each attorney can represent his or her respective client in a divorce or support proceeding—I guess that’s why Forrest Mosten was initially involved in the divorce and I don’t recall Alice challenging it.

- Both Ioan and Alice agreed that each of them made a “reasonable disclosure” of all of their income, property, and financial obligations. Alice’s are attached as Exhibit B (erroneously stated as Exhibit A in the agreement), and Ioan’s are attached as Exhibit A (erroneously stated as Exhibit B in the agreement). Both parties waived their right to further disclosure beyond what was provided in the agreement (this is a standard provision).

- Since Alice and Ioan lived together before marriage, they each waived any other rights they may have had due to the cohabitation. This is less important in California than other states, since California doesn’t recognize common-law marriage (where two people living together for a long time may be considered “married” in the eyes of the law for certain matters). However, it is important since neither of them can claim any rights to the other’s property acquired before marriage, or a right to support beyond what is in the agreement, even if they were living together.

- All of Alice’s assets at the start of the marriage (including those on Exhibit A) are deemed to be Alice’s separate property. This includes any appreciation in value during the term of the marriage, or any funds received from the property during marriage. The exact same is true for Ioan’s property on Exhibit B (see pages 8-9).

- Normally, in the absence of a prenup, any expenditure of a spouse (time, money, effort) on the other spouse’s separate property would give rise to a community property interest in the separate property. For example, if one spouse owned a separate property house, and the other spouse spent their own money to remodel the house, a community property interest would be created that would be reimbursed upon divorce. This agreement prevents that, and all assets that are separate property remain separate property regardless of whether the other spouse contributed to them or not. This is also a standard provision in prenups with higher-net-worth clients.

- Each spouse has “unfettered discretion”—in other words, sole control—over the investments they make with their own separate property.

- Notably, each spouse has sole ownership over his or her goodwill, including “celebrity goodwill,” meaning that one spouse can’t claim “credit” or “reimbursement” for the success or popularity of the other spouse.

- The La Jolla family home, and all of its contents, were entirely Ioan’s separate property at the start of the marriage (see page 12).

- Within 60 days of the marriage, Ioan was to transfer title to the house from himself, individually, to himself and Alice as community property with right of survivorship. (This means that if one spouse dies the other spouse automatically inherits the property without the need for probate.) However, we know that the property was eventually placed into a trust, so Alice would have had to sign off on that transfer (see page 13). These provisions would apply to any new home that was purchased during the marriage if they sold the La Jolla home to buy a different house.

- The personal property in the home, except each spouse’s jewelry, clothing, and personal effects, was changed to community property upon marriage (see page 14).

- Upon separation, Ioan had the right to buy Alice out of her interest in the La Jolla home within 90 days of the date of separation.

- Upon sale of the home, the proceeds of sale were to be divided equally after adjustments were made. The adjustments are: payoff of any mortgages; payoff of real estate agent commissions and closing costs of sale; capital gains taxes; any reimbursements agreed to in writing; and $750,000 to Ioan, representing Ioan’s purchase price plus appreciation in value from the date of purchase to the date of the property’s sale; plus 5% interest per year from the date of marriage to the date of sale. Any remainder is split equally between Alice and Ioan.

- Ioan is required to maintain a $1 million life insurance policy on his life, naming Alice as beneficiary, until the date of separation. So Alice will miss out on $1 million if Ioan passes away.

- While married and living in the La Jolla home, all expenses were to be paid with community property funds, and any separate property used for house expenses was considered a gift and not reimbursable. Interestingly, before marrying, the agreement provides that Ioan shall pay all house expenses, even though Alice was living there too.

- The only community property created during the marriage was in the form of salary and bonuses. Business entities, stock options, and the like were to remain separate property.

- Alice specifically waives her right to compensation that may be earned but not actually received during the marriage (see page 19).

- Gifts to either spouse are considered the donee’s separate property.

- Any liabilities listed on Exhibits A and B are the sole responsibility of the respective spouse. So Ioan isn’t responsible for Alice’s debts coming into the marriage, and vice versa.

- Any income taxes are to be paid with community property funds, not separate property. If separate property funds are used to pay taxes for marital assets, they are considered a gift.

- Each party waived their right to spousal support other than what is described in the agreement, despite any future change in circumstances, catastrophic illness, or disability.

- There are support provisions in the event that the parties don’t have children when they separate, which I won’t cover here since it doesn’t apply (if interested, see pages 27-28).

- Spousal support from Ioan to Alice: 10% of Ioan’s adjusted gross earnings, based on the average of the three previous calendar years prior to separation. However, income from Ioan and Alice’s separate property, or passive income, is not considered in determining the amount of spousal support. If Alice’s earnings are $50,000 or more per year, in the 3 years before separation, then her spousal support is deducted by 10% of Alice’s average adjusted gross income over $50,000 for the prior 3 calendar years. If the duration of the marriage is more than 10 years, then spousal support from Ioan will continue until any of the following occurs: Alice remarries, lives with a romantic partner for a period of 6 months, death of either Ioan or Alice, the parties agree otherwise, or the court orders otherwise. If either party’s income increases or decreases more than 20% from average, the amount of support is modified. Based on this, the projected annual spousal support Ioan must pay Alice is $58,313 (see Exhibit 4).

- This same formula applies if Alice had to pay Ioan support if she were the higher earner.

- Alice must pay taxes on the spousal support she receives, and Ioan can claim the support on his taxes as a deduction from income.

- Note that both Alice and Ioan “each assume the risk for himself or herself that he or she may not remain financially self-sufficient in the future.” So Alice can’t modify the spousal support provisions based on her circumstances.

- Finally, both parties agree to engage in mediation before filing any court action, and Ioan agrees to pay for the entire mediation cost (see page 39).

- Ioan’s net worth as of April 16, 2007, was $2,084,970.67; Alice’s net worth was $94,458.51.

So he's actually entitled to more than 750k from the house because it increases with the increase in value (the house went up from roughly 1.5m to 2m, so roughy increased in value by 1/3,
Applying the same increase in value to his 750k, he would be entitled to $1m back from the house sale. He would also be entitled to 5 percent interest on the 750k pa, so that's another $37,500 per year for every year they lived there. How long was that? 13 years? That's another $487,500 in interest. A total of $1,487,500 due to him from the house sale!

Looks like he's just asking for the 750k though - and she's already had $200k from the house sale she's not entitled to.

 

[I_dream_of_Snyders]

Most of the reviews sound like they are coming from exactly the same type of people as Alice. Shit parents, no money because their grifters, dislike her because she's sees them for what they are.

Dupee ain't dumb enough to be duped by Alice that's for sure.

 

[welp]

For the non 'talent' I need to emphasise that the 50k school fees for one kid for an actor needs to guarantee earn 150 to service . Then the second kid makes 300 to service - that's gross minus agent / manager / lawyer- fed / state taxes - average actor keeps 33 cents on the dollar - add on rent / mortgage / food / publicist / extra medical / curricular - that's minimum 500 k per year ioan was facing to have to produce . If he even scoped what that would look like - with the 2O% usa production based in Los Angeles - he'd be looking at having to leave his family 11/12 months a year to service . Pulling ella out of fancy schoool was his line in the sand . It was Alice saying I don't want you home . Fuck off and earn the cash . Ioan chose to lower his costs so he could chose - how far/ how long /how much .

Yep, Ioan's gross adjusted income (after commissions, but before taxes) the past years was:

2018: 266k
2019: 1m
2020: 482k
2021: 487k
2022: 52k
2023: 163k (I assume it will reach 200k)

no way that he could have afforded this school, especially with how much Alice has overlitigated the divorce (I quote: "Ioan wanted a quick divorce, I wasnt having it!") - it's telling that he didnt wanted to enroll her first place either

 

[my cup runneth]

The Fibro thing- well here is my $26’s worth.

6 years ago, suddenly at like 42, I became just really unwell. Achy, exhausted to the point of unable to walk much. Hair fell out. Anxiety through the roof. Insomnia. Hot and cold sweats. Tested for everything, I did have low thyroid and anemia but after treatment my symptoms persisted. I was convinced I was seriously ill and it was being missed. I’ll admit I started to neck wine every night as it really did give a few hours break from feeling shit- but I’d pay for it the next day by feeling even worse.

long story short after 3 years of this hell my GP said it was Fibro. I researched it and didn’t feel that was right but he insisted and diagnosed. Then my periods stopped (I was 45). It was only then it dawned I’d gone through early menopause. I started HRT and 90% of symptoms disappeared within weeks.

Just wanted to point out that even when diagnosed it’s not always right.

 

[MarmiteMonster]

If you’d moved on and decided to stop talking about your ex wouldn’t you want your friends and family to do the same?

Why is it no surprise that Tone apparently knows people who have been fucked up by ketamine (rhetorical question).

 

[M33L4]

According to the socks it’s a ketamine clinic? If only Alice had screwed the nut and went collaborative and 50/50. That’s all he was ever asking for.

 

[Boring Monday]

FFS.
I think it’s really hard to imagine another person with MS taking offence at Bianca’s posts. Why on earth would they??
I know it’s stating the obvious, but these socks have really strayed into some dubious territory here. Yet again.

My cousin has MS - was diagnosed in her 20’s, over 40 years ago.
She walks, she cycles, she swims, she does yoga because she is convinced the more she does the less she relapses.
If she saw Bianca standing on a surf board, she’d cheer.

 

[SusieTCones]

The man from Moscow strikes once more

That is some Grade A trolling, and I. Am. Here. For. It.

 

[BessieNessie]

‘Why are you so miserable and boring?? MIX ME ANOTHER DRINK!’ ~ Alice Evans

Her blind rages, booze binges and tantrums are nothing new. What the hell was he thinking??

His poor mum, I hope he at least dedicated his divorce to her.

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

ketamine is used in treatment of refractory depression and (I think) ptsd.
but I don’t think it is used in children!!
Edit I was wrong, it is being used in teens for depression and anxiety.
It’s usually given IV so would be at a clinic. So maybe this is true

No it's not true. Dupee is giving IG and AE parenting assessments. NOONE is giving the kids ketamine but AE will no doubt scare the kids already and tell them Dupee with drug them with the blessing of IG.

Remove these kids now!!! (been saying that for 2 years and still nothing has been done)
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Tell me the kids had a session with Dr Dupee without telling me…

No Dupee doesn't start til October and the focus will be on the parents (not the kids, AE is lying again).

The therapy may have started and AE is fuming about that as there is a full fee for her to pay if they miss it. hahahaha

 

[KikiFromNy]

Speaking as an MSer being "mocked" by Bianca (lol), this is some crazy ableist BS.

Why does she seem weirdly jealous of B's diagnosis? She's like hyperfocused on it.

Because B has a real diagnosis. Alice doesn't. And she desperately wants one to be able to say Ioan ran off and left her alone and disabled.

 

[welp]

you can feel how much she hates that her plan to make Ioan stay in his little apartment all day and cry isnt working

whether they are Alice or not: that's all ironic because they literally do think and write all day about celebs (except when Alice is travelling/working, convenient)

This is such a stupid lie from Alice.

The character is named in a Deadline article. It's not been officially confirmed yet, sure, but early indications show the character isn't a blink-and-you'll-miss-it part.

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Rhea Seahorn and Eric Dane's parts are also not officially named on IMDB yet, oh no, I guess that means they also must have tiny parts

you dont get 175k for a 2 weeks shot if it's a tiny part either (granted, it's not huge either, but except of the two main characters and maybe 1-2 more no one really ever has there)

 

[PortiaControl]

The DVRO feels completely pointless at present. I felt like when he was first granted it and they went on that trip to Wales you could feel the relief and it seemed to go quiet for a bit. But now?! Surely she needs to face some actual consequences? It doesn't inspire you with confidence in law enforcement/legal service does it?