Of course it’s not the child’s fault. It’s the abuser’s fault! That woman (I will never call her a mother again, she doesn’t deserve it) has been manipulating, threatening, terrorizing and abusing her two children for years. In the past 18 months she has escalated this just to get revenge front a man who dared leave her. She has played with their minds and scarred their souls because her ego was hurt. The girls are on survival mode. They live in hell.I think sometimes we over-analyse Ella and her behaviour. She isn't looking at this from a rational or analytical viewpoint and oftentimes probably isn't even consciously choosing her behaviour. For one thing she doesn't have the amount of needed emotional intelligence or maturity to do so, but nor does she have the distance required. She's a sensitive child living in an intensely emotional and chaotic world where everything is hyped up to the extreme, being abused, manipulated and gaslit by a narc - a lot of her behaviour is probably reactive and coming from intense fear, grief, anger, confusion. From her viewpoint her dad's abandoned her and she is terrified of losing her mum, a fear AE sadistically intensifies and weaponizes. Ofc she's desperate to please her, even when she knows her mother is wrong, when she knows her mother is selfish, cruel and manipulative. There is also the biological and psychological components. This is a great article on why abused children can bond so intensely with abusive parents, defend and protect them fiercely even at the expense of their own safety, and can have such difficulties, even as adults, in breaking those bonds. https://dana.org/article/fear-in-love/
I would say no but the girls are at a stage where they want to please her still. If that changes, say Ella becomes a stroppy teenager (likely as many teens do), there could be some stand up rows in the house. We know what mAlice is like when she is angry (threatening - see car park video) so all bets would be off then.This is not intended to be some rumour I’m eager to spread, but an honest concern I have.
I think I read somewhere that sometimes domestic physical abuse isn’t limited to a single person in the home. In my house, it is (me), but I’ve had a few friends who have told me that multiple family members of theirs are targeted.
Is anyone concerned that Alice’s physical abuse wasn’t solely reserved for Ioan? Is anyone concerned about the possibility that, likely after Ioan left—because I do not believe he’d allow it to go on while he was living in the home—there might have been an instance or two of physical violence against the girls? I’m not necessarily suggesting brutal beatings that leave bruises or scars, but even just strikes? (Many of my friends received the latter.)
I’m just concerned if Alice, in her drunken rages, might not have kept her hands to herself, and should this have ever been the case (again, not saying it has been), I would fear that the girls would be too frightened to disclose it with their father, maybe out of fear of how Alice would respond, or maybe out of fear that they would lose her love for “betraying her.”
Once again, I’m not claiming this has happened! I’m just genuinely worried about whether or not Alice always has the self-control to avoid harming the girls by physical means. Also, verbal/emotional abuse is a common precursor to domestic physical abuse, in case anyone is wondering where this concern is coming from. My abuse began verbally and transitioned to both verbal/emotional and physical.
Like I replied earlier to @welp, those court documents were heart-breaking to read. I think a lot of us guessed what was likely going on behind closed doors, but seeing the black and white reality of it was traumatizing. I ended up closing the computer and going to bed in tears for those girls. But Ella does seem to have a lot of maturity and emotional intelligence for her age. She can see her mother is abusive, that she's selfish, cruel, manipulative, deceptive, that sooner or later she deliberately destroys the relationships in her life because they can't or won't live up to her demands of constant and unquestioning adoration and supplication. I hope and pray that with the help of a therapist she can step back from her mother and their toxic enmeshment and walk away from her. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but the thought of Ella turning into her mother and having the same miserable life and inflicting the same torment on everyone who loves her, is too horrible to accept.Yes she is an emotional hostage living with an emotional terrorist
It is hugely sad
she will have a deep bond with Alice - it’s not a healthy bond, but it’s real and it will do great damage to Ella in her life
The only person to blame is Alice, Ella is not responsible for this. Her reactions are down to this trauma bond she has with Alice. Ioan is afraid and confused, he knows he can’t do this without professional help but I think Ella will reject it. She’s too enmeshed with Alice now. I literally pray for her escape from these shackles of FOG
I mentioned the trauma bond Alice is creating asthis is a common one the 2 souls in pain. To be in pain and share pain to strengthen your bond, against a protagonist and you are fighting, it gives you a common ground to share. Ella cannot fight back against this shes too young and doesn’t have the tools
I must admit, this has crossed my mind. She is unrestrained in her behaviour.This is not intended to be some rumour I’m eager to spread, but an honest concern I have.
I think I read somewhere that sometimes domestic physical abuse isn’t limited to a single person in the home. In my house, it is (me), but I’ve had a few friends who have told me that multiple family members of theirs are targeted.
Is anyone concerned that Alice’s physical abuse wasn’t solely reserved for Ioan? Is anyone concerned about the possibility that, likely after Ioan left—because I do not believe he’d allow it to go on while he was living in the home—there might have been an instance or two of physical violence against the girls? I’m not necessarily suggesting brutal beatings that leave bruises or scars, but even just strikes? (Many of my friends received the latter.)
I’m just concerned if Alice, in her drunken rages, might not have kept her hands to herself, and should this have ever been the case (again, not saying it has been), I would fear that the girls would be too frightened to disclose it with their father, maybe out of fear of how Alice would respond, or maybe out of fear that they would lose her love for “betraying her.”
Once again, I’m not claiming this has happened! I’m just genuinely worried about whether or not Alice always has the self-control to avoid harming the girls by physical means. Also, verbal/emotional abuse is a common precursor to domestic physical abuse, in case anyone is wondering where this concern is coming from. My abuse began verbally and transitioned to both verbal/emotional and physical.
It was a set up. IG has a hard road ahead of him with the eldest. I wish him luck.btw one thing I found interesting about the Ella video, I'm not saying the kid wasnt genuinely upset, but she immediately calmed down when her mother spoke and she was the entire time highly upset when talking to him except when she said that he just assumes what is going on in her mind (did she slip out here?). Combine this with Alice having a 2nd phone on the ready to record I cant shake off the feeling of a set up. The "I cant wait for the lawyers to hear that" was just days later, so...
They follow her for their own agenda's not out of genuine concern for her or faith in what she says.I find it interesting that Alice simply changes her story as she goes on, finds out more information etc', and yet her harpies don't even seem to notice?
They've taken her "Ioan was having an affair for THREE years!!!" As fact, and continue to repeat it, and yet since B mentioned to a follower that the child that did her makeup happened to be the child of a man she was dating at the time, Alice has since adjusted that timeline, because she has realised her lie was able to be disproven.
It's alarming that her sycophants simply choose to ignore these edits she pops into her fairytales.
which is funny because anythig he did since August 2020 is not cheating. so what now, Alice?I find it interesting that Alice simply changes her story as she goes on, finds out more information etc', and yet her harpies don't even seem to notice?
They've taken her "Ioan was having an affair for THREE years!!!" As fact, and continue to repeat it, and yet since B mentioned to a follower that the child that did her makeup happened to be the child of a man she was dating at the time, Alice has since adjusted that timeline, because she has realised her lie was able to be disproven.
It's alarming that her sycophants simply choose to ignore these edits she pops into her fairytales.
Millie Dowler? That beautiful young woman who was murdered some years back? Her body discovered in a field a year-ish later? Sorry, I’m American but I watch a decent amount of British true crime YouTubers and the name sounds familiar. Excuse me if this is tooootally not the right person…
I've always thought Ella was the SG and Elsie the GC. The way AE spoke about her was just like how my my Narc mother treated me. In private my life was hell but to the rest of the world I was doted on and spoilt.Everyone was saying ella is Alice's favorite child and what not but I always felt that she hated her and was jealous of both her kids because ioan loved them so much.
I can't stop crying after reading that, what ella and elsie had to endure and still being treated is disgusting to say the least. They will never forget this experience of abuse by their own mother!!
Though I do believe a good handful of them simply write off her inconsistencies as, “Oh, Alice got mixed up, it’s alright.” After all, she’s good at making up excuses and making them sound fairly believable. Not believable to us, of course, because we have receipts, but to those who don’t read those receipts it’s easy to fall for.They follow her for their own agenda's not out of genuine concern for her or faith in what she says.
I need to look up PM—his name has arisen in MANY discussions we’ve had throughout these threads and almost every remark made about him was negative. I have no idea who he is (is he British btw?), so I need to do some research!
Piers MorganI need to look up PM—his name has arisen in MANY discussions we’ve had throughout these threads and almost every remark made about him was negative. I have no idea who he is (is he British btw?), so I need to do some research!
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