A child killer was allegedly murdered in his cell at Wakefield prison yesterday. The second in less than a month.
God I had a look at that thread again and forgot those girls/women commenting were really quite unhinged and obsessive over him. I think when I first read it I was shocked about what they knew, but what stands out now is how he was cultivating these inappropriate relationships with fans. Although, reading it, I think woman A and Joanne are both in that thread, probably with multiple socks. It sounds like every woman he was linked to was probably being harassed by a group of core obsessive fansI think what we really can't underestimate is the context in which all this occurred. IW was not stupid. He cultivated an aura, a personality, that had so many women clamouring to be around him, near him, talking about him. He encouraged the obsession for him and the jealousy between them. I have no doubt the forums played a huge part, unfortunately - creating such a cult-like obsession that when a girl did finally get direct contact with him, I'm sure there was pressure to not mess it up, to please and impress him. He was very talented at grooming - so talented it continued in prison. He was also able to find and select women who were vulnerable and susceptible in this way, who feared rejection, who lacked taught boundaries.
Now that isn't to say they are blameless in this, because they certainly aren't. What they did was sick regardless of the context. It isn't justification, but I think it's important to understand his recipe for finding multiple women who were willing to go to these horrific depths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdegx13ny6ro Kyle Bevans is named as the one who died. His killer(s) haven't been namedA child killer was allegedly murdered in his cell at Wakefield prison yesterday. The second in less than a month.
That prison is on its a.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdegx13ny6ro Kyle Bevans is named as the one who died. His killer(s) haven't been named
I think there's also the 'bystander effect' in all of this - as in, 'with so many women wanting him, how could he be wrong?'God I had a look at that thread again and forgot those girls/women commenting were really quite unhinged and obsessive over him. I think when I first read it I was shocked about what they knew, but what stands out now is how he was cultivating these inappropriate relationships with fans. Although, reading it, I think woman A and Joanne are both in that thread, probably with multiple socks. It sounds like every woman he was linked to was probably being harassed by a group of core obsessive fans
Shannon Matthews is the only victim I can think of who was given a new identity after such a huge case.Anonymity can only go so far in cases like this. So although the mothers names are withheld from being reported in the media or the sentencing remarks, it’s with the understanding that you can’t stop people locally from knowing who the mothers were, and by extension, the children. And as discussed previously, the children themselves will eventually know what happened to them too, because that’s their right.
Being given new identities only happens in really exceptional cases and has only ever happened to high profile offenders upon release, never victims AFAIK.
Besides, in the grand scheme of things, forcing a young child to adopt a new name would be considered additional trauma, and even young babies who end up being adopted keep the names their birth parents give them.
I often think of her and hope shes doing wellShannon Matthews is the only victim I can think of who was given a new identity after such a huge case.
Sadly most big cases involving children, involve them dying
If that was my child, she would not be in my life. I would not stop loving the child I raised but my priority would be my grandchild's well-being and not the adult who caused so much damage.If the child stayed with the grandparents and the “mother” is now out I guess it means she would be in their lives…
You can post it, it’s not illegal.It was me!!! I have the link - apologies I didn’t respond to anyone’s post, as wasn’t sure if legally I was allowed to share/allude to it, as assuming was taken down as part of the investigation.
Happy to share if someone can confirm it is allowed though??
I can’t find it all that’s coming up is a polish fan forumThere’s a link to a way back machine archive on r/lostprophets. The thread is called whodatedwho.com
The grandmother isn’t hard to find on facebook if you know the mother’s name. They don’t have the boy on their social media but they’ve also not locked down properly either which is mental. On her timeline earlier this year she posted “god bless (mother A name)” with a little animated person holding a birthday cake.If the child stayed with the grandparents and the “mother” is now out I guess it means she would be in their lives…
If you go to the lost prophets subreddit there’s a thread there called whodatedwho and someone there has posted the archived link. I read it last nightI can’t find it all that’s coming up is a polish fan forum
That’s so worrying! How on earth can the grandmother allow that woman to be part of any of their lives. (Is it the boy’s grandmother or the grandmother of the accused?). Also I would hope she would be banned legally from seeing her son but I doubt that is the case sadly.The grandmother isn’t hard to find on facebook if you know the mother’s name. They don’t have the boy on their social media but they’ve also not locked down properly either which is mental. On her timeline earlier this year she posted “god bless (mother A name)” with a little animated person holding a birthday cake.
So she’s publicly acknowledging her birthday on her not particularly locked down facebook. Doesn’t seem particularly wise.
The lad will be 14 now. I don’t imagine she’ll be allowed contact with him as part of her parole
Actually I just looked again and it might be a different and slightly more famous person with mum A’s first name she was saying god bless to. Now I feel sillyThe grandmother isn’t hard to find on facebook if you know the mother’s name. They don’t have the boy on their social media but they’ve also not locked down properly either which is mental. On her timeline earlier this year she posted “god bless (mother A name)” with a little animated person holding a birthday cake.
So she’s publicly acknowledging her birthday on her not particularly locked down facebook. Doesn’t seem particularly wise.
The lad will be 14 now. I don’t imagine she’ll be allowed contact with him as part of her parole
No I think that was the other girl. I may have jumped the gun on that one now that I lined up the datesThat’s so worrying! How on earth can the grandmother allow that woman to be part of any of their lives. (Is it the boy’s grandmother or the grandmother of the accused?). Also I would hope she would be banned legally from seeing her son but I doubt that is the case sadly.
Is it the Mum with the girl who was sent back to prison?
I’ve just been on her Twitter and in Dec 2013 she posted an article in the DM about “a fan in her 20s” who IW begged to abuse her 10 year old daughter and offered to DJ at her party if he could sleep with her. Further down the article it matches JM’s story (meeting and asking for tickets etc) and refers to her as Ms Majic at the end of the article.View attachment 3774867
Those guards are messed up
Hopefully this works:You can post it, it’s not illegal.
Just wondering how you can view the comments because even with the way back machine it doesn’t show comments?