Ian Watkins

[HotesTilaire]

You can’t change who you’re attracted to but you can choose whether you grape them or not. Attraction isn’t action. Many don’t realise the difference as no conversations other than ‘kill the onces’ are said which, is obviously not working. Imagine we had a system in place that assisted potential offenders that can hold their hands up and state, ‘I’m having sexual thoughts about children, I’m addicted to pornography and I’m looking at things that disturb me, I’m worried about my thoughts, I worry I'm going to offend, help me’ We don’t! ‘They have to be caught doing it first’ - but what if they don’t?

Exactly.
And the difference is that only one of these paths saves children from abuse. Requiring someone to have assaulted a child before addressing their behaviour harms children.
We refer people at risk of being radicalised to Prevent (which isn’t perfect but is “something”) we don’t wait for them to do a terror attack first.

 

[Cinnabun]

We have A LOT of young ones now, it’s not like it was 30 years ago, all down to pornography. Some will not want to engage nor change, like nearly all other crimes. I don’t think IW at his stage of offending could have been helped, from what he was up to in prison, didn’t want to be helped either. We mustn’t be ignorant, some will have co existing disorders which aren’t treatable without incarceration which I fully support. IW would have always been high risk to women and children.

That teenage nursery worker from Surrey really shocked me.

 

[RinsedHoops]

I don’t think it was Watkin’s son but some of the texts between the baby boy’s mum and IW refer to IW as his daddy which I think is where this came from.

It comes from her loudly telling everyone that Ian was the father from the moment she conceived, and they had been sleeping together so it’s possible but not certain he was.

I spent far too much time reading the thread on ‘who’s dated who’ where this had been discussed at length. Basically there were a group of LP fans discussing Ian’s decent into depravity for at least 3 years prior to the arrest and that girl - I think she was woman A, was well known on there. She had been loudly shouting about her and Ian’s “relationship” since she was about 15.

They also really hated Joanne, knew about the swinging sites and her reporting him repeatedly. She had even told his family and believed he might have been abusing family members but would then go back to him. So basically this was all well known in sections of the fandom for at least a couple of years prior to his arrest.

 

[TheDuchessx]

Ooh I really thought that she was just ‘playing’ Daddy with him and never considered for a second that he could actually be the father.
If it was ongoing since around the conception date of the child, I suppose the most likely explanation to why she calls him the dad to her child is that he is…

 

[Archduchess of Luxembourg]

If it was his child, would that not have been taken into account during the trial though? Would the police not have established his true relationship to him? If so, and it was proved that he was the biological father, would this have been banned from being reported on for the sake of the child?

I read that they originally 'split up' (if they were 'together' in the traditional sense and not just sleeping with each other) because she got pregnant by another man.

 

[RinsedHoops]

If it was his child, would that not have been taken into account during the trial though? Would the police not have established his true relationship to him? If so, and it was proved that he was the biological father, would this have been banned from being reported on for the sake of the child?

I read that they originally 'split up' (if they were 'together' in the traditional sense and not just sleeping with each other) because she got pregnant by another man.

I’m not sure if it would’ve been taken into account - unsure legally if it’s considered different if you’re abusing your own child but can see why there would be reporting restrictions for the sake of the child. What a ducked up thing for everyone to know about you.

Im also not sure if those two kids were adopted out or fostered outwith their own families. I don’t want to say which one but one of the two kids was definitely with their grandmother at the time of conviction. So if they weren’t given full new identities and remained within the family, everyone locally would know even though the mothers names aren’t being reported.

 

[Archduchess of Luxembourg]

I’m not sure if it would’ve been taken into account - unsure legally if it’s considered different if you’re abusing your own child but can see why there would be reporting restrictions for the sake of the child. What a ducked up thing for everyone to know about you.

Im also not sure if those two kids were adopted out or fostered outwith their own families. I don’t want to say which one but one of the two kids was definitely with their grandmother at the time of conviction. So if they weren’t given full new identities and remained within the family, everyone locally would know even though the mothers names aren’t being reported.

The boy, the son of woman A was with grandparent for sure.

 

[BarryEvansHun]

If it was his child, would that not have been taken into account during the trial though? Would the police not have established his true relationship to him? If so, and it was proved that he was the biological father, would this have been banned from being reported on for the sake of the child?

I read that they originally 'split up' (if they were 'together' in the traditional sense and not just sleeping with each other) because she got pregnant by another man.

DNA test wouldn’t have been conducted as not in the best interests of the child as could cause further harm. Father has remained ‘unknown’ on birth certificate, and rightly so if it is Watkins. Yes, reporting rights would be different if Watkins was on BC to protect anonymity of the child, like the two women that were convicted alongside him.

 

[BarryEvansHun]

If it was his child, would that not have been taken into account during the trial though? Would the police not have established his true relationship to him? If so, and it was proved that he was the biological father, would this have been banned from being reported on for the sake of the child?

I read that they originally 'split up' (if they were 'together' in the traditional sense and not just sleeping with each other) because she got pregnant by another man.

Her and Joanne were always claiming they were pregnant. There’s rumours Joanne had a baby adopted that was Watkins child. I don’t understand why at her big age and according to her not being an LP fan how she even entertained and involved herself such drama, she used to go as far as making fake accounts to create new dramas with the young girls. Very weird.

 

[maytoseptember]

So if they weren’t given full new identities and remained within the family, everyone locally would know even though the mother’s names aren’t being reported.

Anonymity can only go so far in cases like this. So although the mothers names are withheld from being reported in the media or the sentencing remarks, it’s with the understanding that you can’t stop people locally from knowing who the mothers were, and by extension, the children. And as discussed previously, the children themselves will eventually know what happened to them too, because that’s their right.

Being given new identities only happens in really exceptional cases and has only ever happened to high profile offenders upon release, never victims AFAIK.

Besides, in the grand scheme of things, forcing a young child to adopt a new name would be considered additional trauma, and even young babies who end up being adopted keep the names their birth parents give them.

 

[nichew]

Her and Joanne were always claiming they were pregnant. There’s rumours Joanne had a baby adopted that was Watkins child. I don’t understand why at her big age and according to her not being an LP fan how she even entertained and involved herself such drama, she used to go as far as making fake accounts to create new dramas with the young girls. Very weird.

do these forums still exist?

 

[RinsedHoops]

Aye they definitely st

do these forums still exist?

I’ve looked a couple of times and the who’s dated who stuff has been deleted, even tried to get it on the way back machine last night and couldn’t- it said it was only captured once in 2016. But I’m an absolute Luddite so others might be able to find a way. Someone earlier on the thread said they’d been able to see it on archive

 

[bigmac22]

Aye they definitely st

I’ve looked a couple of times and the who’s dated who stuff has been deleted, even tried to get it on the way back machine last night and couldn’t- it said it was only captured once in 2016. But I’m an absolute Luddite so others might be able to find a way. Someone earlier on the thread said they’d been able to see it on archive

It was me!!! I have the link - apologies I didn’t respond to anyone’s post, as wasn’t sure if legally I was allowed to share/allude to it, as assuming was taken down as part of the investigation.

Happy to share if someone can confirm it is allowed though??

 

[BarryEvansHun]

do these forums still exist?

Not exactly how they were, but there are archives. JM conveniently deleted a lot of her comments as soon as IW was arrested, unfortunately for her she couldn’t delete the comments back to her.

 

[Nelly's mum]

I dunno - I find myself pondering if fans/women IW was shagging actually knew he was really into pweido stuff irl, or if they thought this was in a fantasy role play sense?
Obviously it is seriously sick as a fantasy and so much worse as a reality and I know one of the women actually abused her own children with IW - but do we know if the other women truly believe he would abuse babies and children in real life?

 

[RinsedHoops]

I dunno - I find myself pondering if fans/women IW was shagging actually knew he was really into pweido stuff irl, or if they thought this was in a fantasy role play sense?
Obviously it is seriously sick as a fantasy and so much worse as a reality and I know one of the women actually abused her own children with IW - but do we know if the other women truly believe he would abuse babies and children in real life?

He was making comments to them about their own kids. That’s what sickens me about Joanne. He was talking about abusing her child and she kept going back

 

[Baby Shark]

Aye they definitely st

I’ve looked a couple of times and the who’s dated who stuff has been deleted, even tried to get it on the way back machine last night and couldn’t- it said it was only captured once in 2016. But I’m an absolute Luddite so others might be able to find a way. Someone earlier on the thread said they’d been able to see it on archive

There’s a link to a way back machine archive on r/lostprophets. The thread is called whodatedwho.com

 

[louise061272]

I also thought that a that a DNA test would have been done as part of the trial process. The photos she used to post looked like any other dad with a young baby doing skin to skin etc…

When I watched the interview with JM my first thought was that she came from a family where sexual acts on each other were deemed the norm.
I also found it strange that he’d never had ‘Alan’ sex until she flew the transsexual to LA.

 

[didisaythatoutloudoops]

I dunno - I find myself pondering if fans/women IW was shagging actually knew he was really into pweido stuff irl, or if they thought this was in a fantasy role play sense?
Obviously it is seriously sick as a fantasy and so much worse as a reality and I know one of the women actually abused her own children with IW - but do we know if the other women truly believe he would abuse babies and children in real life?

I think what we really can't underestimate is the context in which all this occurred. IW was not stupid. He cultivated an aura, a personality, that had so many women clamouring to be around him, near him, talking about him. He encouraged the obsession for him and the jealousy between them. I have no doubt the forums played a huge part, unfortunately - creating such a cult-like obsession that when a girl did finally get direct contact with him, I'm sure there was pressure to not mess it up, to please and impress him. He was very talented at grooming - so talented it continued in prison. He was also able to find and select women who were vulnerable and susceptible in this way, who feared rejection, who lacked taught boundaries.

Now that isn't to say they are blameless in this, because they certainly aren't. What they did was sick regardless of the context. It isn't justification, but I think it's important to understand his recipe for finding multiple women who were willing to go to these horrific depths.

 

[louise061272]

Sorry to bang on but when I won the meet and greet he was the friendliest, most engaging member of the band. He had the darkest eyes that looked straight through you and he was very smiley. Some of the band seemed generally shy and one was downright ignorant

I had my 14 year old son with me and we joked at the time that IW was more interested in him than me. I’d also joked with my husband that if IW made a move on me I’d be sending our son home alone

Whilst waiting to go in we got talking to two girls that had also won. They told us they were only 15 but looked older (one person had to be over 18) They were smashed on vodka and coke that they’d smuggled in. When IW greeted them he acknowledged they were drunk and thought it was funny, he then started speaking in Welsh to one of the other members of LP and it was clearly about these girls.