They intentionally collect them as part of the paraphilia
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Yes,I understand how they do it,but that's kind of what I meant,why do they initiate the conversation not caring it could be a decoy. You've got to either not care of be so stupid,likely both
Yes, there was a man in my area who was caught talking to what he thought was a 13 year old girl online but who was actually a group of paedophile hunters. He was asking for photos of her underwear etc, and other awful stuff too gross to type. His whole capture was on Facebook live and he lost his job,family etc.. this was a couple of years ago- they’ve literally just caught him again!! Same scenario- saying gross things to what he thought was a child online wanting to send her pics of his gross, nasty c*ck etc. He was doing all this from his elderly mother’s house too. After losing everything due to his vile perversion, he still did it again. He was apparently in a new relationship too with someone who presumably didn’t know about his offence. Again all this was put on an fb live and the pweirdo hunters were saying he’ll now get an automatic jail sentence due to his previous conviction (must have been a suspended sentence). Nothing stops these disgusting creatures in their pursuit of their awful, warped desires.
Unfortunately I don't think the hunters are right,I doubt he'll definitely get a prison sentence even though he should. It's absolutely disgusting these perverts get suspended sentences in the first place. I am not saying theft is okay but when money or theft is involved in a crime you're pretty much guaranteed to get one. I think I'd rather see a shoplifter whos robbed a bit of cheese and wash powder than these vile creatures.
I agree, he absolutely should have been jailed the first time, the stuff he was saying to what he thought was a child was absolutely disgusting. And the fact he thought any child would want a picture of his naked flabby middle aged body just shows how sick his mind is. Ugh, makes me absolutely sick!!
I'd love to know why they think a child would be the slightest bit interested in seeing a man's disgusting bits
,they really are sick individuals,that as you said will stop at nothing.This is what the hunters were saying to him too, why would anyone what to see it let alone a child. It makes me sick how many of these people exist and how many lives they ruin.I'd love to know why they think a child would be the slightest bit interested in seeing a man's disgusting bits
I hope I don’t come across the wrong way, I don’t condone their behaviour at all, there is no excuse for it but there is always a reason. There are usually factors such as isolation, loss of job, loss of family etc that make them vulnerable to reoffend. Which is difficult to manage as most people do not want to be around offenders that have committed these type of offences, other than other peodophiles, sometimes it’s their only community. It’s a vicious circle. Afaik there is no professional early intervention available when they start getting these thoughts before they go on to offend in the UK. They have it in other countries and their rates of reoffending are much lower.
Because they are often talking to so many children without consequence / people finding out that they probably don’t think it will be a decoy. There are many more children online than there are decoys.Yes,I understand how they do it,but that's kind of what I meant,why do they initiate the conversation not caring it could be a decoy. You've got to either not care of be so stupid,likely both
From the ones I have seen a lot of the offenders have low IQ / learning difficulties so weighing up the pros and cons of consequences over paraphiliac urges isn’t going to be high on their agenda.
I understand where you're coming from,but what kind of early intervention works ? It's a sexual attraction to minors,it won't go away. It's like saying you can stop being gay,and how can they really prove the rates of reoffending ? It's only if they get caught,so it's a bit of a moot point really.
Absolutely not the same as being gay nor a moot point.
When you are gay it doesn’t make you a rapist or probable of committing sex offences against males. It’s your sexuality in which you make a choice whether to have consensual sex / partnership with another male - that’s also consenting. Just because you are sexually attracted to someone of any race, gender, age etc, it doesn’t mean you can commit a sexual offence or that you will.
There is much more that goes into peadophillia / paraphilia than just sexual attraction. Some aren’t even sexually or romantically interested in children and have a paraphilia. Some are and do not commit offences against children. It’s complex and the UKs answer to it all isn’t helping children at risk of abuse nor potential offenders.
That's not what I said. It is the same as in you cannot change what or whom you are attracted to. I never said being gay made anyone a rapist. I also know it's complex but we will have to agree to disagree that intervention will change anything,and as I said you cannot prove said intervention reduces risk, or reduces offending as they have to be caught doing it first !
I wonder this too. We don't have the right conversations in this country about porn in general. I do wonder, if we had more early support, if we'd be able to break this slippery slope of seeking more and more hardcore content. Even mentioning the idea of psychological support like this can get you angrily branded a 'pedophile sympathiser'.
But when the most popular porn category is 'barely legal'... we clearly have a huge systemic problem in the UK and I think if we genuinely want to protect children, we have to look at new methods of reducing offending and the risk of offending.
You can’t change who you’re attracted to but you can choose whether you grape them or not. Attraction isn’t action. Many don’t realise the difference as no conversations other than ‘kill the onces’ are said which, is obviously not working. Imagine we had a system in place that assisted potential offenders that can hold their hands up and state, ‘I’m having sexual thoughts about children, I’m addicted to pornography and I’m looking at things that disturb me, I’m worried about my thoughts, I worry I'm going to offend, help me’ We don’t! ‘They have to be caught doing it first’ - but what if they don’t?
I’ve worked with SO’s for ten years in forensics and I’ve always said the same and then get hit with being a peadophile sympathiser. No, I want to avidly protect children from abuse and we have a huge problem with no education nor intervention and systems in place that do not work.
If I had things my way all pornography would be banned all together.
I think you're absolutely right. You said earlier 'there’s a difference in those that are romantically and sexually interested in children and ones that have no romantic interest and just have a need to exert power, control and sadism over the most vulnerable'.
If that's the case - and I believe it is - then we need to view extreme porn addiction as a treatable disorder. Unfortunately, I think the crux of the issue is just that: hearing anyone confess to anything near attraction to children makes me want to shout shame and call them a sick depraved piece of s**t. It really does. But the older I get, the more I think: is that helping, when they're addicted to that exact shame and depravity label? Do these men think 'oh I've really gone so far if anyone found out what I'm watching I'd never be forgiven' - and is that spurring them on? Are they thinking 'I've gone so far past the point of no return now, what's another picture, another video, another assault?'
That's not to say what they are doing isn't sick or depraved, because it absolutely is. But I wonder if we need to entirely reframe how we treat these kind of offences to stop them right at the root.
We have A LOT of young ones now, it’s not like it was 30 years ago, all down to pornography. Some will not want to engage nor change, like nearly all other crimes. I don’t think IW at his stage of offending could have been helped, from what he was up to in prison, didn’t want to be helped either. We mustn’t be ignorant, some will have co existing disorders which aren’t treatable without incarceration which I fully support. IW would have always been high risk to women and children.
Indeed. I imagine there'll always be the worst kind of offenders and ones totally incapable of rehabilitation. But I do wonder how much we could prevent from happening with a reformed system.
I’m not surprised that it’s 1 in 6. I knew someone who nearly went to jail for it (he of course didn’t - escaping a prison sentence seems to be par for the course in this country). And it really is the men you’d least expect. The man I knew was a quiet, nerdy kind of bloke who was married with a kid. Had an absolutely vast amount of material stored. I didn’t realise it was all part of the paraphilia.
What angers me is he got to go home and basically forget it all happened.
What angers me is he got to go home and basically forget it all happened.
I don’t think it was Watkin’s son but some of the texts between the baby boy’s mum and IW refer to IW as his daddy which I think is where this came from.