Harry and Meghan #88 . . .

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Whilst I agree that the RF may need to review the 'of the body rules' to allow for surrogacy, with all that is going on both within the family and worldwide, I don't think that now is the right time to be debating it. They have shown themselves to be progressive, indeed at times they are far ahead of the trend (ecology, the environment and conservation) so I'm sure that IVF/surrogacy is not something they would be against/try to hide, but Harry and his offspring are far enough down the line of succession for it not to be a major issue at this time.
I also think that they won't review it anytime soon given the rumours about Meghan and Harry's offspring, But I believe the secrecy is the issue. If George marries in 20 -25 years and they have fertility issues I don't think the British public would in anyway object them using a gestational carrier to have a family
 
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Agreed, like another poster said it's always been widely reported that Sophie had IVF but the crux of the succession issue appears to be the "of the body" part. They need to consider the future implications of modern medicine
The Palace follows the law, they don't need their own position.

The "of body" is the law, which has very recently been challenged in court (last couple of years) and was upheld.
 
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doctors cannot force their patients to do things. doctors can only recommend and give advices. Ultimately, the decision is up to the patient. Patient smeggy just needed an excuse :rolleyes:
 
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They are maybe playing the winning time game, and gauging public opinion, cue Thursday and Meghan is with Harry, because she is "selfless" like that.

Their PR makes me rage, together with the "mending rift BS. "
The day Harry learns something from this will be the day his freshly risen mother admits something small she has done wrong, to be able the minimise the big wrongs she did.

This time he has the US press mostly on his side, he doesn't care about the British press or public.
 
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I also think that they won't review it anytime soon given the rumours about Meghan and Harry's offspring, But I believe the secrecy is the issue. If George marries in 20 -25 years and they have fertility issues I don't think the British public would in anyway object them using a gestational carrier to have a family
Exactly, why rock the boat? The Harkles will drop down the line of succession as time goes on, and become more and more irrelevant. If when the Cambridge children start having children there are any fertility issues, they will be dealt with then.
The more I see, the more I understand the the never explain, never complain motto. It really works. :)
 
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The Palace follows the law, they don't need their own position.

The "of body" is the law, which has very recently been challenged in court (last couple of years) and was upheld.
Not saying they shouldn't but laws can are tangible.

Do you have a link to the challenge? I wasn't aware of this
 
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Unlikely to happen, Charles isn't going to make William take the throne any earlier than he absolutely has to as it is so all consuming.
HMTQ has done a damn good job of it and she was 25 I think when she took the throne and had 2 young children and had another 2 children. I know she is extraordinary, but I think Will and Catherine could make it work. Just saying.
 
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If the Royal Family change the legislation, it won'
Yes we know that's probably what happened with Archie (and the new kid) but even if the children are genetically theirs they aren't 'born of the body'.
I assume that after all these years that any plausible argument to double check that Hazza is Charles’s natural son is long resolved.

So I anticipate that should any concerns about succession arise, a highly discreet DNA sampling will be arranged to test if Archie & Doriana are Hazza’s natural children. Likewise, tests to confirm their maternal DNA. Given the relative advancement of assisted reproduction technologies & practices, there is still no absolute guarantee that frozen eggs can be fertilised as well as a freshly harvested egg.
It is re’markle’ that a woman of her age has been able to conceive several times over with such rapid ease - some people might think almost to schedule - & carry twice fully to term in under 3 years.
Could be that MM is one of the lucky ones when it comes to fertility in the late 30s.
BTW for those about to pipe up about those they know who were just as fertile, please pause to consider that there are many more who have not been so fortunate & do not comment. Across the board, medical specialists repeated advice women not to rely upon robust fertility after their mid30s - that is the point. MM would not be the first woman to use IVF to get pregnant promptly after deciding to start her family in her mid30s - entirely plausible.


This is where Markles has tripped up. How much easier it would been for here if she accepted the care of the Royal Medics & the usual protocols around the royal birth followed. Not a red flag to be seen.
 
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Loads of nasty comments underneath. But how do you prove a negative (assuming he's not got anything to be guilty of)?
These cowards only go for soft targets who can't answer back, or white people who can be accused of racism if they answer back like Sharon Osborne.
If Andrew was Andabir Shah in a turban the sugaz would be screeching "Racist! Innocent until proven guilty". If Andrew became Sikh his PR problems would disappear overnight.
 
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They are maybe playing the winning time game, and gauging public opinion, cue Thursday and Meghan is with Harry, because she is "selfless" like that.

Their PR makes me rage, together with the "mending rift BS. "
The day Harry learns something from this will be the day his freshly risen mother admits something small she has done wrong, to be able the minimise the big wrongs she did.

This time he has the US press mostly on his side, he doesn't care about the British press or public.

Well he should care about the British press, especially if he comes back one day. All is not lost and I think the RF are playing the wait game something about rope and hanging oneself with it, U.S press get bored very quickly and maybe they won't be able to afford their PR agency much longer,
 
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HMTQ has done a damn good job of it and she was 25 I think when she took the throne and had 2 young children and had another 2 children. I know she is extraordinary, but I think Will and Catherine could make it work. Just saying.
She has done a damn good job as head of state but I don't think anyone would want to put that pressure on their children until absolutely necessary.I There was also a lot of separation from her children, particularly at the beginning where they undertook long overseas visits when she became queen and allegations of her being a cold parent who put the country first. Those months long tours a long a think of the past but I think Charles would like to give the Cambridges as much time as a "normal" family as he can before they have to take on the top job
 
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A surrogate would have to be part of the bloodline as well, otherwise it represents a break in that line. It's brutal but it's truth. Being a Monarch isn't just Genes and yes, the 'of the body' bit matters else the Windsors will never leave which isn't right.
There have (allegedly) been plots to get a Brother to impregnate a Queen and it was (rightly) a source of revulsion to the British. The Monarchy is supposed to be unchanging and is based on the right Women being impregnated by the Right Men, if you change that you've destroyed the whole basis of the Monarchy and it's no longer of any relevance because people can 'buy' their offspring a place in it.

It is old fashioned but 'God' still plays a role in this (regardless of how silly that seems) if God doesn't give you kids the Crown moves on to the spare sibling/cousin. Replace God with Luck/Fate as applicable.
Thanks Bastille, really well explained. I'm not sure how well this now sits in our world, but as they say "if you want to be in the club, you have to play by the rules"
 
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I think they need to involve some properly trained professionals operating under the guise of concern for his wellbeing and mental health. He won't have the intelligence to see through it and then there'll be an opportunity to de program him. He would need to be detained for an extended period of time though, which I doubt they'd be able to justify.
Section? Revoke his passport? Arrest for treason / tax issues? I'm sure if they wanted to keep him, they would find a way. Although I think they are going down the route of "if you love someone, set them free"
 
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I'm happy to be lambasted here but
I want Harry here for the funeral.
I want him read the riot act by the family
I want him to see the outpouring of love he clearly isn't getting in Cali forn I A
I want him to see the friggin' light
I want him to break down and confess his life is tit and he made a terrible mistake.

I also don't think Andrew should be ostracised in any way. Regardless of what we think or are led to believe he's done, this week he lost his beloved father. He should walk proudly and respectfully with his siblings and family. His mother should not be concerning herself with any public opinion of such matters at this difficult time.
If we are feeling the loss of such an amazing gentleman whom any of us likely never knew then this needs to be put aside, temporarily.

The radio has been playing some beautiful music. Nimrod is a given but these lyrics from George Michael get me EVERY time and was on repeat during Diana's passing.

YOU HAVE BEEN LOVED
She thinks of when the boy was young
All the battles she had won
Just to give him life
That man
She loved that man
For all his life
But now we meet to bring him flowers
And only God knows why.

#89 Megan, regarding PP funeral, did you want to travel or were you instructed NOT to travel?
 
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Without pictures of Harry arriving, I do not believe he comes in time and keeps the quarantine rules.
 
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