Gender Discussions #2

[ShowMeYourFeline]

I already apologised for derailing the thread and making it about me. Like I said in my last post, I didn’t know what MSM actually meant, I thought it was another form of MLM but clearly I was wrong. I was trying to follow your direction of thinking when you said you wouldn’t consent to sleeping with a bi man (which sounded like you could be attracted to a bloke but changed your mind after finding out he was attracted to men too). Obviously I went in the opposite direction, I didn’t know then, and that’s why I thought you were being ridiculous because like, a MAN? is attracted to MEN? How awful! Again, I apologise for assuming, and for derailing.

To go back on topic, if it’s ok for me to comment on this —



I agree. But you (general you) have said it’s mental/delusional to want to remove your penis and what not. The body that trans women have gives them dysphoria, that’s why they want to change their appearance and have surgery, etc. That’s why some of them look like they are being stereotypical with how they think women dress, because they’ve had male socialisation, but they’re genuinely trying to say “I’m not trying to be a man” even if they do a piss poor job of it. So what should biological men do? Grown, adult men. Do they have surgery or not?? It’s delusion if you want to chop it off but it seems to be the bare minimum if you want to use women only space. Which one is it??

Also, I don’t know if this is directed at me —


but I’m female

Yes I would change my mind about a man if I found it he was bi. It’s happened in real life, I was turned off.

In my opinion feminine bio men should just accept they are feminine bio men. I have no sympathy for those who look strange, as research has shown that non-passers are typically autogynephiles. If bio men want to be treated as honorary women, the penis is a weapon and should be treated as such.

I don’t understand why you’re caping so hard for bi men?

I used to consider myself bisexual (I no longer call myself that as despite previously preferring girls, my interest in them has all but disappeared) and I used to be annoyed at being associated with bi men. I felt like they steal our words like “I’m attracted to either, it doesn’t mean I need both!”, when from what I’ve seen, it’s not true for them. Bi women and men are not the same.

 

[Zenchick101]

It's ridiculous. I'm so glad we have this thread here, I'd feel lost without it tbh. I understand quite a few ex-reddit gc people are reconvening on saidit but I haven't got the hang of it yet.

yeah they are also on spinster. Don't agree with everything I see on this side of the fence, but you know a movement is ridiculous when you're policed for how you talk about your own health issues and the mod of that sub isn't even concerned health wise.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

FFS. Meanwhile, actual criminals are allowed to roam free while that policeman was acting Billy big balls by arresting Posie Parker

 

[Vee6]

I’ve always voted labour and consider myself left wing. I have had a Twitter account for a couple of years but rarely went on. Had no idea what was going on with TRAs at all until JKs essay and then spending more time on twitter. Feeling very confused now

 

[Falkor]

I have a nonbinary friend. They were born female, but if they're going to be gendered by someone they would prefer to be gendered as male, so they've had top surgery and present as male. They're not overly bothered by the occasional slip-up by those of us who have known them for years though.

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

UK’s only centre for fighting fgm faces closure.

Sorry not related to ‘gender discussions’ as such. But this is an issue that affects women so it ties in with it somewhat I guess. This is why I’m struggling with the idea that tories seem to be the only party asking questions about the gra stuff, yet they clearly hate women in other ways. Plus my local Tory mp is absolutely useless. I’m not sure I can stomach ever voting for them.

 

[Vee6]

Just watched the bodyform film/ad - loved it!!

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I think transsexual in general is a dirty word nowadays (within the modern trans ideology)

 

[emmer_moans]

yeah remember the tweets about how much fun it was breaking a women's skull.

This is a disgrace.

 

[Zenchick101]

How are these people gaining traction? Who exactly is supporting it, and why?

There is so much that bothers me at the moment. Most people agree with the “all humans are equal and have equal human rights” narrative, and so they should. However I would say the majority, particularly the younger ones and media personalities who they are influenced by, do this on a purely performative basis without joining the dots of the implications of caving into every demand from a disadvantaged group. They want to be SEEN as progressive. SEEN as anti authoritarian. SEEN as inclusive. It’s about them, rather than the complexity of social justice.

Some of the U.S richest billionaire jennifer pritzker, warren buffett have invested in this. Transhumanism tech companies, pharmaceutical companies. I saw online someone stating that their phalloplasty had cost their insurance 250 000$ imagine how much profit there is to make on people needing a life time of drugs and other potential surgeries.

 

[openbook1]

Is this is what the world has come to? A go fund me, for someone to transition?? https://www.gofundme.com/f/ps3pk-tr...m_medium=social&utm_campaign=m_pd+share-sheet

 

[openbook1]

Lol. A satire comedian.



Another good account.

LOL.

WTF. Hell no. Women with endometriosis don't even get this kind of help.

 

[Doc]

Performative SJW bullshit is really starting to kill my soul.

 

[jewelkitty]

The trans lobby can't bully me into silence

Raquel Rosario Sanchez, 30, who started a PhD on women and violence at Bristol University two years ago, claims the institution failed to protect her from a campaign of bullying.

www.dailymail.co.uk

T’is the mail and iv not got chance to read it as I’m at work so I’m saving it here for later!!

Thanks for sharing! Here's another crowd justice to help Raquel, hopefully it doesn't get taken down this time

Bullying and Harassment Permitted by Bristol University

I have been bullied and harassed by students at the University of Bristol over my feminist principles for two years. My case seeks to ensure what is happening to me does not happen to other students.

www.crowdjustice.com

 

[Zenchick101]

This

Also, why is this even a thing. Why do children need to be read stories by drag queens? And why are nspcc condoning this? I don’t understand. Drag is an adult thing, they often don’t call themselves child friendly names (Alaska Thunderfuck anyone?). It’s not for kids. This is so wrong.View attachment 213383

the idea of sexual/gender studies to 5 year olds is also really unnecessary in my opinion. Kids don't even get sexual health education till 12 years old.

 

[Zenchick101]

I might have the wrong end of the stick here, but there was a 2018 UK stat that said 61% of women were killed by a current or former partner.

So maybe not just an issue faced by the trans community???

Maybe, as a sisterhood we could work together to find a solution???

Honestly the extremists don't care about issues affecting natal women it seems.

 

[Cloak]

Yes, 38 year old white working class Corbynite male. He has a container ship filled with issues relating to women and hates hates hates JK Rowling but clearly for reasons of envy.

However, because of his professional contrarian outlook, his opinions only exist in direct opposition to everyone else and can change if it looks like something he “feels passionately“ about enters mainstream. For instance, he supported Brexit under the left wing rhetoric of anti-globalisation and reducing wage depression due to exploited foreign workers. The day the result was announced of the referendum, it was one long rant against the “racist gammon pigs” and now he is a firm remainer.

Oh god, he sounds like a delight!

 

[maytoseptember]

And I assume YEP have produced a similar image to illustrate that male genitalia comes in all shapes and sizes, and some look like vulvas?

If not, why the hell not?

 

[mindlessness]

Sorry--what I meant is that a WS degree will not "affirm" older models of feminism. The current gender criticism is very much evolved from Greer-style models, so if someone is expecting a WS degree to be anything like some of the discussions on this thread, they would be disappointed. Butler, obviously, is still very relevant in terms of her gender theory. The whole point of a degree like WS is that it questions what it is to be a woman; current gender criticism views this as an absolute that should not be questioned at a biological level.

Really? the whole point of a WS course is 'that it questions what it is to be a woman'? I'd argue it's a bit more complex than that. Any good course should teach you to read widely, and engage with ideas even if they're not 'current' or as 'evolved' as your own.

Below, two course descriptions from courses mentioned in this thread:

The course provides a systematic introduction to feminist theory and highlights women's contribution to culture and history alongside critical analysis and theorisation of the meanings assigned to the category 'woman' in philosophical, literary, socio- cultural and historical thought.

Oxford University MSt

This MA offers the opportunity to study the complex issues and debates within women’s studies and gain a critical understanding of the intersections between feminist thought and wider social and cultural debates

York MA

You studied WS? When you graduated, had you figured out 'what it is to be a woman'?

 

[SqualorVictoria]

He made mince meat of the non binary person. They couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag. And refusing to shake his hand. How childish