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While I have every sympathy with the wombat family, this story has had more headlines and discussion than the issue of surrogacy :mad:

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I clicked on the wombat story expecting to read that the woman had kicked it or done something worse and couldn't believe how heated some people are about it.

What she did was stupid and thoughtless yes but there's men out there having penetrative sex with animals not just picking it up for 5 minutes to pet it.
 
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While I have every sympathy with the wombat family, this story has had more headlines and discussion than the issue of surrogacy :mad:

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I couldn't help but compare this story to surrogacy. Everyone going mad that a woman picked up a baby wombat (rightfully) but the same people will argue in favour of taking a newborn from the woman who has just given birth to it.

On a related note, I just listened to this audiobook:



I'm an adoptee with no knowledge of my paternal heritage so I'm always interest in stories of donor-conceived people, adoptees and others raised in unconventional families. I've always thought the fertility industry is highly unethical and this didn't disabuse me of that notion. The entire industry is based in eugenics and the mistreatment of women (one of the first pregnancies by sperm donor, the mother thought she was being inseminated with her husband's sperm, but instead a doctor, who sedated her in front of his classroom of male student doctors, made those student doctors take a vote on which of them was the best looking, then inseminated her with his sperm without her knowledge). Although not intended as any sort of feminist book, it was an interesting read and I was unsurprised to find that, in the US at least, sperm donation is less regulated than dog breeding.

Women and children are considered less deserving of legal protection and regulation than puppies.
 
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Graham Linehan is being sued and is crowdfunding, it's on his X account. Someone mentioned JKR and he said she's never helped him. Obviously she isn't required to donate to everyone who wants it but now I think about it, she's never mentioned him either. Does anyone have any idea why that might be? Obviously she isn't required to do that either so it may well be that she's busy and supportive enough (which she is!) but I wondered if there was anything going on that I'm not aware of.
I've chucked a few quid in for him. As far as blokes go, I reckon Glinner is one of the good ones. He's left wing and he seems to centre the impact this nonsense has on women, rather than his own ego.

David Paisley is a misogynist, narcissistic dumbfuck of the highest order and someone needs to put him in his place.
 
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In case some of you missed it, the wit and wisdom of this frog-faced abomination has been distilled into book form. (From his thread.)

Weirdly this bit - which Dylan doesn’t compare to being a woman - is the most accurate. Always on alert in case a man is unsafe and always feeling some element of threat when going about our lives
 

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Weirdly this bit - which Dylan doesn’t compare to being a woman - is the most accurate. Always on alert in case a man is unsafe and always feeling some element of threat when going about our lives
He’s on alert for people laughing at him. We are on alert for our lives.
 
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Weirdly this bit - which Dylan doesn’t compare to being a woman - is the most accurate. Always on alert in case a man is unsafe and always feeling some element of threat when going about our lives
They fail so realize that this is part of being a woman. And that they have brought it on themselves of coming from a position of privilege, aka being male, to making themselves a target and they probably never experienced that before.

I can't not be a woman. Yet this bloke thinks he can be one by pissing quietly. Make it make sense.
 
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The delusion never ends

Colon tissue is colon tissue.

It responds to the body's signals as colon tissue.

The secretions it produces are colon secretions.

Douching will not "mess up the natural flora of the tina", because there is no tina.

The purpose of the colon is to finish the process of digestion and convey faeces to the mole. It contains bilirubin, which is brownish - which explains the colour of the vaginal secretions - and it causes unpleasant smells.

Every time this person eats something, an hour or so later, the colon tissue will respond to the body's hormonal direction to start digesting the meal (at the same time that the remaining colon does).

There are scores and scores of worried TW complaining about this and asking for suggestions. As the twitter poster said "Do these people not do any research?"

They spend all of their time online and yet haven't the sense to look into life-altering surgery and the after effects. Frankly - I can't be bothered to waste sympathy on them any more.
 
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I'm always staggered by how thick so many people are so I personally think it's just that.


It might be that any 'women's issue' tends to attract apparently sympathetic men who turn out to be wolves in sheep's clothing so maybe she stepping back because of that. Graham was a bit manic about it all for a while too so that tends to make people pull away a bit. Hope it works out for him.
It might be that any 'women's issue' tends to attract apparently sympathetic men who turn out to be wolves in sheep's clothing so maybe she stepping back because of that. Graham was a bit manic about it all for a while too so that tends to make people pull away a bit. Hope it works out for him.

There also seems be an assumption that JKR (because she is rich) should be pouring her money into any and every case concerning TRAs, which is unfair.*

Julia Hartley-Brewer was interviewing Sal Grover (Giggle v Tickle) who is also crowdfunding, and asked if JKR had given her money. Sal said no and she didn't expect it as of right (words to that effect), and J H-B** said, "Come on Joanne - get your check book out" (again, paraphrasing). Sal Grover looked mortified with embarrassment.

I think that JKR supports the cases which are likely to be groundbreaking (which admittedly, Sal's is), and she does so discreetly and behind the scenes. It is rare that she comes out into the open about it.

*Yes - she's wealthy, but even so there are so many of these injustices being fought that she couldn't fund them all. Also if we women want to keep our rights and our spaces, we need to fight for them ourselves. Nobody, anywhere has the right to have everything handed to them on a plate. It may be that until the fight affects more women then they won't realise how very, very precious our rights are, and won't value them the way they should be valued.

*Who is herself hardly on the bones of her a. Why doesn't she bung a few quid Sal's way?
 
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I have been listening to a podcast called The Baby Broker, which is about a dodgy illegal adoption scheme. Whilst the woman's behaviour who ran it was absolutely abhorrent, I was also left feeling deeply uncomfortable at the attitude of some of the prospective parents, who seemed to have little regard for the pregnant mothers and just wanted a baby or babies on demand.

I'm not sure how the adoption industry works in the US, what is state and what is federal legislation, but I can see it getting a whole lot worse with sweeping abortion changes.

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Are you actually joking 😡
When they say black women, do they mean women like Kemi Badenoch and Allison Bailey? Because all the hatred they have faced only comes from the loons. Maybe they’re just not the right kind of blank women.
 
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My former employer had a benefit scheme with a company called Carrot, which aimed to provide us employees with financial aid around "family forming", including adoption, fertility treatments and post-delivery care, for men and women. I could have frozen my eggs with this if I had been so inclined. They made a point in helping gay and les couples. They did not, however, offer help with anything that could be called contraception,which would have been a welcome financial benefit.
I was rather disappointed to find that however "family forming" care did enable people who have chemically or surgically castrated themselves to get financial benefits and adoption help. This benefit was up 40k$ over the course of multiple years.
 
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I’m just catching up on the Newman v Met Police tribunal as Naomi is cross examining some of the trans activist witnesses. Currently Kit Moore (Intelligence analyst & Trans lead of LGBT+ Met police Network)

Met Police ‘Crime Prevention by Inclusion and Engagement’ were supporting Mermaids with advice 🙄 this is just absurd for the police to be involved in, isn’t it?

NC though ‘why was the met acting as Mermaids PR agency?’ 🤭

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Yep - there are comparatively few wombats left now. Women and babies, though . . . :mad:
Wombats are really cool and our wildlife is unlike any other in the world. It's one of those discussions I feel a bit weird about, I'm a feminist but also a dedicated native animal supporter so I kind of have skin in both games here.
I won't let my cats out of the house as I'd die if they hurt a kookaburra, I have a possum living out the back, she gets cut up fruit and and a bucket of cold water on hot nights.
This is a difficult one for me.
 
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Wombats are really cool and our wildlife is unlike any other in the world. It's one of those discussions I feel a bit weird about, I'm a feminist but also a dedicated native animal supporter so I kind of have skin in both games here.
I won't let my cats out of the house as I'd die if they hurt a kookaburra, I have a possum living out the back, she gets cut up fruit and and a bucket of cold water on hot nights.
This is a difficult one for me.
Wombats are one of my favourite animals, they're just so cute and round and dense. The "influencer" picking up a wild animal deserves all the flack she gets, it's just a shame we can't see that same energy when it comes to the abuse of women init.
 
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