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I just looked at Georgia Tennant's Instagram. Picture of all the family, in the TARDIS, with her 'non-binary' 10 year old wearing a t-shirt saying ' let's get this straight, I'm not '.

That poor kid.

Oh, but it's ok, she's blurred out the kids faces.
 
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I just looked at Georgia Tennant's Instagram. Picture of all the family, in the TARDIS, with her 'non-binary' 10 year old wearing a t-shirt saying ' let's get this straight, I'm not '.
What the ffffffuck?

I hate grand displays of child sexuality that are encouraged by the parents. He’s ten FFS.
 
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The best Dr was Matt Smith - I loved, loved, loved that story arc - Fish fingers and custard, Amy Pond, the wonderful, steadfast Rory and impeccable River Song. And the way it resolved - totally satisfying.
 
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Ffs that’s another fun FB group I’m banned from over a laugh react. The group is literally nothing to do with trans and they kicked out anyone who left a sensible comment. The comments they kept up were the usual “cis apologist” types and “we hate terfs yay” rubbish.
 
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I just looked at Georgia Tennant's Instagram. Picture of all the family, in the TARDIS, with her 'non-binary' 10 year old wearing a t-shirt saying ' let's get this straight, I'm not '.

That poor kid.

Oh, but it's ok, she's blurred out the kids faces.
I am gay. If one of my children came to me at ten years old saying they were anything other than straight, or any kind of trans, I would privately note that I was glad they felt they could tell me, remind and reassure them that I love them and support them always, and then wait to see how they felt a bit later on, without making a big song and dance about any of it, because for goodness’s sake, they’re TEN. Things can change and I’d hate for something I said when I was ten to become something I was held to, something cool for my parents to show off how “forward-thinking they are”, something that was medicalised or broadcast all over the place.

I do not need to know this information about Tennant & Moffett’s child and it should not be in my possession. The parents have put it there. I am deeply unimpressed.

PS: Wikipedia tells me Tennant and Moffett met in 2008, incredibly that’s 15 years ago. GM (now 38) would have been 23 and DT (now 52), 37, if my maths serves me correctly. Not the kind of age gap I think often serves the female of the partnership very well.
 
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Ffs that’s another fun FB group I’m banned from over a laugh react. The group is literally nothing to do with trans and they kicked out anyone who left a sensible comment. The comments they kept up were the usual “cis apologist” types and “we hate terfs yay” rubbish.
The absolute state of them. The fact we're aren't supposed to be able to tell the difference is laughable 🙃
 
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Dr Who was ridiculous. Every moment of it seemed to loop back to something to do with trans. Can’t just have a trans character, the entire episode has to become all about pronouns and gender and other snoozeworthy topics.

This happens every time they have a trans person on a show. It ruined MAFS this year because they were so determined to keep the trans contestant in that they bent the rules. Including someone trans just isn’t enough it has to be all about them.
 
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What the ffffffuck?

I hate grand displays of child sexuality that are encouraged by the parents. He’s ten FFS.
I'm thinking back to when I was ten, twenty-odd years ago. I had no interest in boys, all I wanted to do was ride my pony and read books. Why are (some) parents so keen to sexualize their young children? How has this become normalized?
 
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I'm thinking back to when I was ten, twenty-odd years ago. I had no interest in boys, all I wanted to do was ride my pony and read books. Why are (some) parents so keen to sexualize their young children? How has this become normalized?
Kids are utterly bombarded with this stuff, they can’t move for a training or a PowerPoint with an Action Man / Barbie sliding scale or utterly stupid content from the internet. I am very suspicious of all parents with a “trans child” who want to broadcast that fact before the child turns 18. Weirdos.

I worked out I was gay all by myself, no need for adults to come into my school and tell me anything or for relentless propaganda. Which honestly I feel is happening these days even though I’m a les, I don’t want my own children to be subjected to this stuff even though they have two mothers. That’s how ridiculous it’s become.
 
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What the ffffffuck?

I hate grand displays of child sexuality that are encouraged by the parents. He’s ten FFS.
I cannot imagine this, having a kid this age myself. He’s a kid ffs!! Arghhh. It’s SO for the parents cred more than anything else. Plus we’re in 2023, if we are to achieve equality shouldn’t being gay be no big deal? Would a straight kid wear a top stating they are straight? Absolute madness that the parents thought it would be appropriate to put their ten year old on social media wearing a ‘I’m gay’ top. There is no shame in being gay but this is a child - sorry, in the words of Sandi Toksvig, I just can’t fathom this!!
 
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I'm thinking back to when I was ten, twenty-odd years ago. I had no interest in boys, all I wanted to do was ride my pony and read books. Why are (some) parents so keen to sexualize their young children? How has this become normalized?
Social media and mobile phones. When we were ten, (38 years ago in my case!) we didn't have the boys in our primary school classes watching hardcore porn on their phones sitting next to us. It's pushed everything much, much earlier.
 
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The Independant published that photo in an article about Tennant and his family
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/david-tennant-family-georgia-doctor-who-b2453333.html Let’s be honest, the t-shirt would have had to have been searched for and ordered (by an adult) online, so to me it reads like the kid is being used to make a point. Maybe he is gay or maybe he isn’t, but these kind of slogan shirts about sexuality are not appropriate for primary school children imo. It’s the sort of thing you see worn by adults / teens on a Pride march. And if the child is supposedly ‘trans’ as indicated by Tennant‘s badges, then he could in fact be straight. Either way, I agree it’s inappropriate for a prepubescent child to publicly indicate sexual preferences.
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ETA, the shirt is available on Amazon and you can order it for two year olds and upwards FFS.
 
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There’s something really, really uncomfortable about this to me. A child should be a child, not portrayed for their sexuality. Puberty is confusing enough for so many but we’re talking about a pre pubescent child, and sorry if this is old fashioned, but children should allowed to be children ESPECIALLY by their parents, not used for some virtue signalling display of how “woke” and open minded they are. A child isn’t looking to date. A child isn’t looking for a sexual parter. Why does a child need a T shirt declaring that the are not straight. A parent choosing that for a child is just creepy as hell.
 
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There’s something really, really uncomfortable about this to me. A child should be a child, not portrayed for their sexuality. Puberty is confusing enough for so many but we’re talking about a pre pubescent child, and sorry if this is old fashioned, but children should allowed to be children ESPECIALLY by their parents, not used for some virtue signalling display of how “woke” and open minded they are. A child isn’t looking to date. A child isn’t looking for a sexual parter. Why does a child need a T shirt declaring that the are not straight. A parent crossing that for a child is just creepy as hell.
I agree although I guess many people know that they are gay at a young age. Most wait a long time to be open about it though, depending on family circumstances.

Do kids really know that they are trans at a young age 🤔 Some would say yes they do know but this 'option' in life has only really been seen as available this century. There wasn't anyone saying they were trans at a young age when I was at school which points to social conditioning which has made it accessible and acceptable.

The main problem is that they will be permanently modifying their bodies and entering into a life dependant on hormone drugs being supplied to them. This is like having a lifelong medical condition where you have to take a certain drug. Those with medical conditions have no choice of course, but it's shocking that anyone welcomes this dependency unless it's strictly medically necessary.
 
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There’s something really, really uncomfortable about this to me. A child should be a child, not portrayed for their sexuality. Puberty is confusing enough for so many but we’re talking about a pre pubescent child, and sorry if this is old fashioned, but children should allowed to be children ESPECIALLY by their parents, not used for some virtue signalling display of how “woke” and open minded they are. A child isn’t looking to date. A child isn’t looking for a sexual parter. Why does a child need a T shirt declaring that the are not straight. A parent choosing that for a child is just creepy as hell.
You put this better than I could. It’s not about the kid knowing he’s gay, I accept that you might know this at ten. The parents have lost the plot here.

I saw a video of a gay guy taking the piss out of straight people (mainly women let’s be honest) who wear the ‘love is love’ type of T-shirts and rainbow everything to show what a good ally they are. He was saying straight people wear things like that in an effort to tell the world they are NOT gay. He was very much looking down his nose and scoffing at these desperate to be woke/hip straight women. The Tennants buying this tshirt for their kid is the same thing for me. Cringe and desperate. And they’ve forgotten they are talking about their ten year old kid ffs.

*just for info my ten year old last year was wearing T-shirts with dinosaurs or Minecraft on them. Because he’s a kid!
 
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You put this better than I could. It’s not about the kid knowing he’s gay, I accept that you might know this at ten. The parents have lost the plot here.

I saw a video of a gay guy taking the piss out of straight people (mainly women let’s be honest) who wear the ‘love is love’ type of T-shirts and rainbow everything to show what a good ally they are. He was saying straight people wear things like that in an effort to tell the world they are NOT gay. He was very much looking down his nose and scoffing at these desperate to be woke/hip straight women. The Tennants buying this tshirt for their kid is the same thing for me. Cringe and desperate. And they’ve forgotten they are talking about their ten year old kid ffs.

*just for info my ten year old last year was wearing T-shirts with dinosaurs or Minecraft on them. Because he’s a kid!
That t-shirt the child is wearing gives me the same uneasy feeling as when I see those child beauty pageants. There's no need for a child to wear mini skirts or bikinis or fake tan and padded bras. No need for a child to declare sexual orientation in public either.
 
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Here it is on archive.ph to avoid paywall if you're not quick enough to hit flight mode (like me)

I think the idea is ridiculous, as surely its essential for the NHS to have a medical definition for a baby to define future medical care? And to me that medical defnition has to be either XX female, or XY male. or in those exceptionally rare cases, not easily defined?

But following this article to its logical conclusion, Who is it that is defining the gender of the newborn, is it parents or medical professionals? As surely those that support trans rights would find the idea of labelling a child, and recording a newborns gender as totally unethical? If they are saying that individuals can choose their gender as and when they are able to, then surely it is totally unfair for a hospital to choose a gender for a newborn?
if you want to get all woo woo about it, then surely the hospital should be recording the baby as gender neutral, gender to be decided by the child themselves when they are able to decide who they want to be?

And what happens if the parents would prefer a particular sex for the child? 30 odd years ago, I was pregnant and in a london hospital that refused to give me a birth sex for my babies, because allegedly some communities seemed to prefer male babies, and would perhaps abort females.
Could parents in these situations, decide to define the baby as male gender, whatever actual sex they are, and then register the birth as male?
It seems to me to be a recipe for chaos?

And as an aside, David Bowie and his first wife had a gender neutral child, Zowie. I was never entirely sure, or particularly worried, when I was younger whether Zowie was male or female. Heading forwards into adulthood, step forward, Duncan Jones, David Bowies oldest son. now a successful filmmaker. Labeliing him as gender neutral seems to have achieved precisely nothing! He is and was male!
 
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