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Whenever Willoughby is brought up I always picture him standing in front of the bathroom mirror with one foot up on the edge of the bath trying to dilate his wound that he likes to call a tina. Like a bloke trying to insert an enema.
 
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More female than Martina apparently.
I hate to break it to India but scientists could analyse dna samples from 100, 1000 or even 1.000.000 anonymous women with his sample included and his ‘body chemistry’ would still show up as male.
 
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Lol, from vague memories of some rit Roy Chubby Brown film possibly their a :ROFLMAO:
That's notca baby, it's a ..... poo!! 💩💩💩🤣🤣🤣
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Sounds like there's enough numbers to make it viable, often we see pics of the latest TIM trying to be housed in with the females. There must be enough of them. They are harmful to others so they should be in their own asylum where they get deprogrammed from their ideology.
The right place already exists - it's called Broadmoor.
 
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Do the doctors have much choice though? Imagine if he started insisting to India that he was a man - I don't think he'd be in the NHS for long after that.

I know we need everyone to stand up against this and say it's wrong but some people are doing other important work and feel they can't afford to get cancelled or fired over trans issues. It's hard to get a balance right. Who do you blame for the NHS taking this position? It's not individual doctors or staff. It's Stonewall and the NHS leadership that have done this.
It's Amanda Pritchard.
 
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Have we seen that Laura Pidcock (uber working class, northern former Corbynite Labour MP) has Tweeted about Alan Baker (or Sarah Jayne as hes known as now)? Shes also mentioned the fearful culture we are all living under.

Brave woman. Her replies are going to be a bin-fire.

 
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Just seen, the woman who lied to obtain abortion pills during lockdown and induced a late term abortion has had her sentence reduced by the court of appeal to 14 months suspended.

she’s out of prison, which is obviously better for her other children.
She still murdered her unborn baby though, that wasn't a termination it was murder and I strongly feel this release is giving the wrong jessage. I know it's complicated but murder is murder.
 
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Just seen, the woman who lied to obtain abortion pills during lockdown and induced a late term abortion has had her sentence reduced by the court of appeal to 14 months suspended.

she’s out of prison, which is obviously better for her other children.
I don't know how to feel about this. I've seen comments about her critics being advocates of "forced birth" in other places and honestly, we're in the UK, abortion is safe and legal, very few are being "forced" to give birth and I don't think the hyperbolic language helps anyone.

I said it before on an earlier thread, women can and do make terrible decisions and just because sometimes those decisions are made along the same axis on which we're oppressed doesn't mean we are totally without choice, responsibility or the consequences of our actions. Morally I struggle to see the difference here between this and giving birth at 43 weeks then killing the baby, which had an upwards of 95% chance of survival at almost full term. I'm pro choice, but like any choices in life there has to be limits, checks and balances.

That said, it's highly unlikely this woman poses any threat to society, so I'm not sure what purpose a long prison sentences for the sake of bring punitive really serves anyone.
 
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I don’t actually agree with the sentence being reduced. She caused a nearly full term foetus to be stillborn. It is better for her other children, one with additional needs. If she didn’t have kids I don’t think they would have released her early.
 
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I don't know how to feel about this. I've seen comments about her critics being advocates of "forced birth" in other places and honestly, we're in the UK, abortion is safe and legal, very few are being "forced" to give birth and I don't think the hyperbolic language helps anyone.

I said it before on an earlier thread, women can and do make terrible decisions and just because sometimes those decisions are made along the same axis on which we're oppressed doesn't mean we are totally without choice, responsibility or the consequences of our actions. Morally I struggle to see the difference here between this and giving birth at 43 weeks then killing the baby, which had an upwards of 95% chance of survival at almost full term. I'm pro choice, but like any choices in life there has to be limits, checks and balances.

That said, it's highly unlikely this woman poses any threat to society, so I'm not sure what purpose a long prison sentences for the sake of bring punitive really serves anyone.
Irish here - so up until 5 years ago we had to go over to you, or the Netherlands, for abortion. That was a long long fight, and we are so glad to have won it. And so grateful to the UK services for their help and deep compassion for Irish women in need.

During those years when we couldn't access abortion, women who couldn't travel to the UK because they were too young, had no money, couldn't borrow money, couldn't ask for help because they couldn't trust anyone not to report them or shame them... we saw some of these desperate women do very desperate things, like this woman who will be released from prison.

I think we will still see these things now in women who cannot emotionally accept a pregnancy but do not have the sense or strength to deal with making a choice - it turns to denial, the foetus grows and then it is too late. I read about a teenage girl - also in the UK I think - who killed her baby as soon as it was born because she had refused to accept she was pregnant, and it was no surprise that her background had a lot of neglect so she wasn't able to cope. I don't think the anxiety we all felt durning the pandemic should be discounted either. Some people were very isolated and disturbed by it, and disturbed people do disturbing things.

So, yes, this woman did something very wrong, but I do not think she is a bad person - she was just very confused and panicked. I think the remorse she feels now is punishment enough.
 
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I don't know how to feel about this. I've seen comments about her critics being advocates of "forced birth" in other places and honestly, we're in the UK, abortion is safe and legal, very few are being "forced" to give birth and I don't think the hyperbolic language helps anyone.

I said it before on an earlier thread, women can and do make terrible decisions and just because sometimes those decisions are made along the same axis on which we're oppressed doesn't mean we are totally without choice, responsibility or the consequences of our actions. Morally I struggle to see the difference here between this and giving birth at 43 weeks then killing the baby, which had an upwards of 95% chance of survival at almost full term. I'm pro choice, but like any choices in life there has to be limits, checks and balances.

That said, it's highly unlikely this woman poses any threat to society, so I'm not sure what purpose a long prison sentences for the sake of bring punitive really serves anyone.
In the UK a prison sentence is there to serve 2 purposes. 1. To protect the public and 2. Rehabilitation. As you say, this woman is unlikely to be a threat to the general public or to commit the same offence again. No benefit to anyone her being in prison.
 
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In the UK a prison sentence is there to serve 2 purposes. 1. To protect the public and 2. Rehabilitation. As you say, this woman is unlikely to be a threat to the general public or to commit the same offence again. No benefit to anyone her being in prison.
I've copied and pasted this from gov.uk
It says punishment in there too which I think is very important.


First, protection of the public – prison protects the public from the most dangerous and violent individuals.

Second, punishment – prison deprives offenders of their liberty and certain freedoms enjoyed by the rest of society and acts as a deterrent. It is not the only sanction available, but it is an important one.

And third, rehabilitation – prison provides offenders with the opportunity to reflect on, and take responsibility for, their crimes and prepare them for a law-abiding life when they are released.
 
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Anyone else fed up with people in their 30/40s going on about what they're wearing to go see Barbie? Just feel ones being excited to all be wearing pink is sad and regressive.

I would like to see oppenheimer but gonna wait until this stupid barbie hypes ducks off - i do like greta and the film might be good it's just the hype

You know there are gonna be TIMs joining to get their arousal wearing pink clothes that will barely cover them
 
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Do the doctors have much choice though? Imagine if he started insisting to India that he was a man - I don't think he'd be in the NHS for long after that.

I know we need everyone to stand up against this and say it's wrong but some people are doing other important work and feel they can't afford to get cancelled or fired over trans issues. It's hard to get a balance right. Who do you blame for the NHS taking this position? It's not individual doctors or staff. It's Stonewall and the NHS leadership that have done this.
Everyone is simply afraid of being sued.

This is from a few years back, but my aunt is a GP in London. She had a trans patient come in. She has never prescribed whatever it was that biologically born male wanted so didn't and wanted to refer.

They made a complaint about her being transphobic.

She had to write an apology out and explain why she had originally refused.
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Anyone else fed up with people in their 30/40s going on about what they're wearing to go see Barbie? Just feel ones being excited to all be wearing pink is sad and regressive.

I would like to see oppenheimer but gonna wait until this stupid barbie hypes ducks off - i do like greta and the film might be good it's just the hype

You know there are gonna be TIMs joining to get their arousal wearing pink clothes that will barely cover them
I like war movies. Barbie just isn't my cup of tea so I'll be skipping that. Guess that makes me a man trapped in a woman's body now. :unsure:
 
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