Which is what I said in my post, "a secondary process which keeps the birth certificate as fact but allows the spouse to have parental responsibility" and my post was based on this from the article.
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In all dealings with children, even sometimes with adoption, the rights of the child are considered secondary to the rights of the parents. Like keeping adoptions a secret or eventually to creating a designer baby, choosing sex from embryos etc. The fact a birth certificate can be altered after the fact keeps information from the individual and hides their history - usually to protect the parents or prevent embarrassment or eventual questions and fear of rejection.
It feels like only recently we have started to learn about how this affects the child, as they grow up and discuss it. Adoptees, donor children and eventually surrogate children all have opinions that we are now hearing and they are not always positive. Health issues, separation trauma, the shock of realising you have 1000 siblings and your conception was partly a financial transaction. I’ve seen all these documented on social media as it becomes more common.
I’m not saying that adoptions are wrong and not sometimes in the end tjnterest of the child, but I think that any secrecy is wrong and not giving children the full facts of their heritage or origins. There are many ways to be parents and families but I think the child deserves to know about themselves.
Surrogacy is the one I think has to go first. It’s never about the child, it’s about the parents. Infertility is a very sad thing, but people deal with other adversities in their lives, poor health, disabilities, mental issues, and they aren’t considered to have a right to a solution.
It feels like only recently we have started to learn about how this affects the child, as they grow up and discuss it. Adoptees, donor children and eventually surrogate children all have opinions that we are now hearing and they are not always positive. Health issues, separation trauma, the shock of realising you have 1000 siblings and your conception was partly a financial transaction. I’ve seen all these documented on social media as it becomes more common.
I’m not saying that adoptions are wrong and not sometimes in the end tjnterest of the child, but I think that any secrecy is wrong and not giving children the full facts of their heritage or origins. There are many ways to be parents and families but I think the child deserves to know about themselves.
Surrogacy is the one I think has to go first. It’s never about the child, it’s about the parents. Infertility is a very sad thing, but people deal with other adversities in their lives, poor health, disabilities, mental issues, and they aren’t considered to have a right to a solution.
have spoilered as it’s a bit long and mithering
As an adult adoptee I applaud this, here in Ireland they have just opened up adoption records to adult adoptees and I applied and discovered some information that has turned my world upside down. I am in my forties now and just starting to learn the truth of the circumstances of how/why I was adopted. I feel I have been living a lie for decades, I am not who I thought I was. Some of my records have been deliberately destroyed by authorities and I will never have answers to several questions about my own life.
Those online DNA tests are only going to muddy the waters as well
I think all children have a right to know basic information from biological parentage and -in the case of sperm and egg donation- if they’re likely to have a bunch of half siblings incase they accidentally reproduce with them.
In same sex (female) relationships I don’t think the non-bio parent should be names as bio parent but I disagree that they do not have parental rights if they raise the child with the bio-mum. As others have said we need to make it easier for an additional process to ensure the birth certificate is factually and scientifically accurate whilst maintaining parental rights of 2 mums.
gay dads am I’m sure great parents but again the birth certificate needs to be biologically accurate and additional documentation issued clarifying parental status.
it’s no different to Step parents who raise children for a long time (ie the bio mum or dad is widowed). Their parental role should be acknowledged and maintained in the vent of the bio parent dying but the birth certificate should still be biologically accurate and other documentation made possible and a more streamlined process.
In same sex (female) relationships I don’t think the non-bio parent should be names as bio parent but I disagree that they do not have parental rights if they raise the child with the bio-mum. As others have said we need to make it easier for an additional process to ensure the birth certificate is factually and scientifically accurate whilst maintaining parental rights of 2 mums.
gay dads am I’m sure great parents but again the birth certificate needs to be biologically accurate and additional documentation issued clarifying parental status.
it’s no different to Step parents who raise children for a long time (ie the bio mum or dad is widowed). Their parental role should be acknowledged and maintained in the vent of the bio parent dying but the birth certificate should still be biologically accurate and other documentation made possible and a more streamlined process.
Just a minor rant, if I may?
I posted a few weeks ago about how nice it was visiting a local cafe bar who were acknowledging Pride by having one traditional rainbow flag hanging behind the bar. This was in contrast to last year where they went full-on multiple gender flags.
Anyway, I was in there again at the weekend and noticed a member of staff who I hadn’t seen for months was back working there. This person is Mr they/them pronoun badge (none of the other staff feel the need). Along with his reappearance was the resurgence of the trans flag and the non-binary flag (despite it no longer being Pride) adorning the bar. It really wound me up to be honest. He’s full on TRA on Twitter, tweeting support of the ‘breast feeding’ fetishist bloke profiled by Thames Water. Just piss off already
I posted a few weeks ago about how nice it was visiting a local cafe bar who were acknowledging Pride by having one traditional rainbow flag hanging behind the bar. This was in contrast to last year where they went full-on multiple gender flags.
Anyway, I was in there again at the weekend and noticed a member of staff who I hadn’t seen for months was back working there. This person is Mr they/them pronoun badge (none of the other staff feel the need). Along with his reappearance was the resurgence of the trans flag and the non-binary flag (despite it no longer being Pride) adorning the bar. It really wound me up to be honest. He’s full on TRA on Twitter, tweeting support of the ‘breast feeding’ fetishist bloke profiled by Thames Water. Just piss off already
Would people be comfortable with her being around biological 5 year olds, in the playgrounds and soft play centres etc?What a pair of effing weirdos.
I think most mothers would find it very weird
quoting myself like an a to add to add that if anyone disputes why children should know if they have unknown half siblings then watchdocs about The Order, a FLDS sect where men marry and reproduce with their own cousins and half siblings as there’s so many of them
I'm not a mother and I find it weird!!
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Black Belt Barrister has just done a brilliant video on his YouTube channel about the law and sex v gender. The video is called Gender vs Sex: Why We Need Clarity.
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Absolutely not. Children are not props to be used in some adults depraved sex games.
Glad to see this!! Hope he's feeling right at home with the other nasty, violent MEN in jail.
Let’s hope they think twice before letting him out on licence again.
Oh wow imagine the sight of a trans given birth! I’d pay good money to see him birth a baby through his …. errrrrr …… sorry where does the textbook say baby will exit from?
Also glad to see this
although I’d be interested to find out the ‘truly exceptional circumstances’ they speak of.
‘We've changed the rules so transgender women who've been convicted of sexual or violent offences – or who retain male genitalia – cannot be held in a women's prison unless in truly exceptional circumstances,' a Government spokesman told the Telegraph.
although I’d be interested to find out the ‘truly exceptional circumstances’ they speak of.
‘We've changed the rules so transgender women who've been convicted of sexual or violent offences – or who retain male genitalia – cannot be held in a women's prison unless in truly exceptional circumstances,' a Government spokesman told the Telegraph.
They need to build a prison for transgender women.
There are already prisons for men. There are other groups within the male prison population that are arguably just as vulnerable - gay men, effeminate men, men with mental illnesses, learning difficulties or disabilities etc. but no one ever suggests building them a special prison with special privileges.
Entitled, delusional woman. Her daughter is 18, not 8, an adult who shouldn't need mum to fight her battles.Pass the sick bag ! This is all of sorts of cringewho on earth calls their 18 yo kiddo ?!
I am sad for that poor girl, actually, and I hope she'll start liking herself for herself and not because of made up identities.
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