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Id say that any man who dates a TiM who still has his fool is a fetishist. If you’re a gay man, you’re not going to be attracted to someone who resembles a woman, not that a lot of them look anything like a woman !
My friend was talking about how her gay male colleague is seeing thier ex again. "She" is called Saffron. I was initially confused about a gay man dating a woman but then it clicked.

She said they are mutually abusive and as "she" is a man her colleague has no problems punching "her" back 😬
 
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Laughed at the LC bit but honestly I find this absolutely disgusting. Are there really any lesbians out there that would happily date a man in a dress? TRAs like to shout about people being obsessed with genitals but aren’t they kind of bleeping crucial when it comes to sex?!
Isn’t it just?! I was getting a bit riled up but unfortunately as with other things she’s experienced in the les dating world, she and I’m sure many others seem to accept it as ‘that’s just what happens’. She said one of her friends had a date with a TiM, primarily to prove to herself that it wasn’t her thing but otherwise none of her circle would. And yeah, if you don’t like penises you’re not gonna start just cos it’s owner is wearing a dress and calling himself Amber.
 
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My work is insisting that we include our pronouns on our email signature. Tbh I don’t feel comfortable with it but at the same time I don’t know how much trouble I could get in for not doing it. I feel like I’m being pressured into justifying that I am female but if I get questioned on it then I don’t want to sound like I am actively against the LGBTQ community in the same way nobody wants to be branded as racist/sexist etc.
You are under no obligation to do this and you do not have to give a reason. Stick to your guns.
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Victoria Smith, author of Hags is on Gender A Wider Lens podcast today. Absolutely brilliant and agree with every word. Worth a listen. She talks a lot about eating disorders though so if that’s a hard one for you I’d maybe avoid.
 
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Wow, that is disappointing. Last IWD, I was definitely a feminist but not yet a TERF, so I’m guessing I missed a lot of this stuff. Also, I’m in Australia and it feels like we are somewhat behind the UK in this regard. I hope it gets nipped in the bid before it takes over. I’m going to see KJK at the Let Women Speak event in Sydney tomorrow. So excited!
Hope you have a great time!
My niece (mid 30s) lives in Sydney and is visiting family here in the UK. We had an interesting conversation on the subject of trans issues, she has very strong opinions on what is happening in Australia and is definitely on the TERF side. 👋

ETA... Niece told me there is a TIM who attends her workplace each week, he dresses in female clothing but has a beard.
 
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Um...what...
I remember a fantasy creative writing bit I did in school. We had to pick from things like a hill, a sword, an orb....

 
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Um...what...
I remember a fantasy creative writing bit I did in school. We had to pick from things like a hill, a sword, an orb....

Yes that is absolutely vile if true however the Twitter poster doesn't share any info on her source so anyone could have made it up and it's not necessarily being used in the real world
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I don't think this has already been shared, Joan Collins writing in the Independent on IWD.

Thanks Dame Joan, this is a brilliant piece
 
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So awful :(
The pictures of the arms after they have healed (scroll down on the twitter feed) are more horrifying than the tube of sausagemeat "pen" they have.

Part of me thinks they must have some serious issues to think that surgery is a good idea. The other part of me knows it just affirms that they have serious mental health issues.
 
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The uni I recently studied with for a PG qual have emailed the usual IWD thing but neglected to say how on their help pages for staff and students, ‘menopause’ has no mention of WOMAN or FEMALE. If I could muster the energy I would write a complaint letter. While studying I did complain that thI lecturers had put ‘introducing yourself with pronouns’ in the top mark tier. I said I won’t use them and don’t have to use them in order to get in the top bracket. The lead of the course had ‘he him HIS’ after his name, which was as masculine as KEVIN, not to mention the fact he was quite clearly a man. It wasn’t like that during my degree there so they’ve clearly been consulting Stonewall.
 
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My work is insisting that we include our pronouns on our email signature. Tbh I don’t feel comfortable with it but at the same time I don’t know how much trouble I could get in for not doing it. I feel like I’m being pressured into justifying that I am female but if I get questioned on it then I don’t want to sound like I am actively against the LGBTQ community in the same way nobody wants to be branded as racist/sexist etc.
I'd just leave it. They might chase a few times but will probably drop it eventually.

My workplace suggested we add pronouns. Hardly anyone did. I didn't because if you can't tell my sex from my name and photo you need to head to Specsavers.

A few years back we kept getting "asked" to update the sensitive information section of our HR profile. This included sexual orientation, religion, etc. They said it was to show they were an equal opportunity employer. I didn't fill it out because it's none of their business and has no impact on how well I can do my job. They just stopped asking after I ignored them a few times.
 
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My work is insisting that we include our pronouns on our email signature. Tbh I don’t feel comfortable with it but at the same time I don’t know how much trouble I could get in for not doing it. I feel like I’m being pressured into justifying that I am female but if I get questioned on it then I don’t want to sound like I am actively against the LGBTQ community in the same way nobody wants to be branded as racist/sexist etc.
As others have said, you don't need to do this, you can't get in trouble for choosing not to do it (the Sex Matters link is really useful) and frankly it's none of their business. You're not expected to list any other protected characteristic either. Might be useful for someone who has a gender-neutral name but that's about it really. Women have rightly pointed out that adding female pronouns to their email signatures can single them out, particularly in male-dominated industries.

The Legal Feminist blog has a few posts about this too which you might find useful for more context: https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/tag/pronouns/
 
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So awful :(
And these frankendicks have no sexual function right? Orgasm near enough impossible? Maybe this is why they’re all so angry. I do think it’s truly criminal to do this to healthy bodies. It really is mental illness and all the TWAW TMAM messages are just playing into this utter fantasy that these surgeries make you anything other than a science project gone wrong.
How can anybody think children can have any sense of the realities of this magic ability to change sex when they start their journey in “identifying” as the opposite sex. How can they possibly give informed consent to the loss of sexual function as an adult, the long term consequences of hormones on their health, the inability to breastfeed or even have kids. It’s all just so bonkers.
 
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And these frankendicks have no sexual function right? Orgasm near enough impossible? Maybe this is why they’re all so angry. I do think it’s truly criminal to do this to healthy bodies. It really is mental illness and all the TWAW TMAM messages are just playing into this utter fantasy that these surgeries make you anything other than a science project gone wrong.
How can anybody think children can have any sense of the realities of this magic ability to change sex when they start their journey in “identifying” as the opposite sex. How can they possibly give informed consent to the loss of sexual function as an adult, the long term consequences of hormones on their health, the inability to breastfeed or even have kids. It’s all just so bonkers.
There is a possibility they could be functional. There are treatments for biological men whose pen doesn’t function due to trauma or medical reasons. I guess some of these would work on TiMs.
 
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There is a possibility they could be functional. There are treatments for biological men whose pen doesn’t function due to trauma or medical reasons. I guess some of these would work on TiMs.
Do you mean biological females? Surely viagra etc can’t work on something that’s not a pen.
 
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There is a possibility they could be functional
Not functional in any meaningful way. It’s possible they can get an erection with the use of a pump, but they won’t have any sensation and can’t ejaculate or orgasm. I believe they might be able to urinate with it but the operation is complicated and has a high failure rate.
 
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Do you mean biological females? Surely viagra etc can’t work on something that’s not a pen.
No I mean what it said in my post, biological men who have problems with erectile function due to trauma or medical reasons. I don’t think I mentioned Viagra.
 
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No I mean what it said in my post, biological men who have problems with erectile function due to trauma or medical reasons. I don’t think I mentioned Viagra.
Are you talking about men or women?

EDIT: because the post you originally responded to was taking about fake penises on women that can’t get erect and function.
 
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Are you talking about men or women?

EDIT: because the post you originally responded to was taking about fake penises on women that can’t get erect and function.
Yep and I said there might be a possibility to get function in them similar to getting a biological males pen to function when it doesn’t.
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Not functional in any meaningful way. It’s possible they can get an erection with the use of a pump, but they won’t have any sensation and can’t ejaculate or orgasm. I believe they might be able to urinate with it but the operation is complicated and has a high failure rate.
It would probably allow them to have sex, but not for their pleasure.
 
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