GladiatorReady
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It's annoying how people can't see that calling women 'uterus owners', 'vagina owners', 'womb carriers', 'birthing bodies' and so on doesn't lead to the dehuminisation of them.
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kittenattack
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I managed to change my woke adult son's mind by carefully explaining about the difference scenario's which could harm women if penises and their male egos and socialisation were present - toilets and voyeurism/harassment risk, prisons, women's refuges, hospital wards, schools etc. I told him how I would feel if I went for a smear test or mammogram and was greeted by a bloke in a frock and told him I'd have to walk out and probably wouldn't return due to past sexual assault. He'd never heard of autogynaephilia until I explained it to him. Women need safe spaces! Too many men are weird predatory creeps 
He got it and is now on board with us
He got it and is now on board with us
rainbowtapirs
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Some of the women injured by the earthquake in Afghanistan aren’t being able to get treatment because their husbands forbid them from being treated by male doctors. How fucking privileged to you have to be to think gender identity trumps sex when it comes to oppression?
GladiatorReady
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I'm so annoyed. I was listening to a podcast and they just used the phrase "met a 13 year old sex worker."
Nope. Even if you believe in SWIW then you should still not use that language for a child who can't consent. It was a true crime podcast so they really should have known better.
Nope. Even if you believe in SWIW then you should still not use that language for a child who can't consent. It was a true crime podcast so they really should have known better.
maytoseptember
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HockyRorror
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Did anyone ever imagine a time that a line like this would be headline newsworthy, controversial and not satire?
Deeznutslol
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I’ve been stalking this thread for a while now as I used to be a supporter of trans inclusionary feminism, and thought that anyone who even questioned the agenda was just a transphobe, but I recently started to question it all so it has been so refreshing to see all of your opinions and honestly over the last few months I have done a total 180 on it. I’m absolutely sick to fucking death of these men, claiming to be ‘non binary’ and using it as a way of pitting ‘cis’ women against each other.
The attitudes from TRAs about the overturning of Roe vs Wade have been the final nail in the coffin for me. I’m disgusted by all the people (mainly ‘non binary’ men) screaming about how ‘ABORTION IS AN ALL GENDERED ISSUE’, it just shows their absolute disdain for actual women and how desperate they are to centre themselves in literally every single discussion.
The attitudes from TRAs about the overturning of Roe vs Wade have been the final nail in the coffin for me. I’m disgusted by all the people (mainly ‘non binary’ men) screaming about how ‘ABORTION IS AN ALL GENDERED ISSUE’, it just shows their absolute disdain for actual women and how desperate they are to centre themselves in literally every single discussion.
A TiM rocked up in our female changing room at the gym today (with white stick, not sure how poor their sight is though!) Our changing room is open, there are no cubicles, there are lockers outside in the hallway for those that just want to dump their stuff (as he did) and there is also an individual shower/changing cubicle elsewhere so their needs would be catered for without entering the Female changing Room but of course they invade our space anyway. I was raging, my friend always uses the shower and is a hang it all out woman when getting dressed so she felt very uncomfortable. I spoke to the receptionist and she did get the Manager who defo saw my point and hopefully will deal with it (poor bugger) but the receptionist has been captured. Got all hoitytoity with me and said "I know her as Tina" I felt like saying "well I know him as a man invading my female space" If there were separate cubicles in our changing room as there are downstairs (are you sensing a theme here) I wouldn't mind but there isn;t and I don't see why us women should be made to feel uncomfortable particularly when there are perfectly adequate alternatives they can use.
Tired of this crap
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Sometimes I just feel so intolerant. I feel like I can’t watch loads of popular tv because it all just irritates me so much. I hate wokeness but so many of my peers seem to lap it up. A friend just talked about a book she’s read all about a trans person… urgh I dunno I just feel lonely and like I avoid conversations, have to regularly turn the tv/radio off, so much makes me roll my eyes…. Social media drives me insane with virtue signalling and people wanting to be seen as inclusive or whatever. I don’t have a teenager yet but I imagine if I did all my friends would be accepting their kids coming out as NB or trans and patting themselves on the back for being such accepting and good parents.
Basically I sometimes feel
I hate everyone and everything
or like I’m agreeing more and more with the daily Mail which feels abit depressing!
Basically I sometimes feel
I hate everyone and everything
or like I’m agreeing more and more with the daily Mail which feels abit depressing!
GladiatorReady
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Some very good news
rainbowtapirs
Chatty Member
I have a bunch of thoughts that I’m not sure I can even be bothered to put into paragraphs right now, so:
•blaming radfems is classic victim blaming. Some do end up having dealings with right wingers, but that’s because they’re pushed to out of desperation because our rights are under attack - many do it as a ‘least worst’ option.
•I can’t remember who I’m quoting, but whoever it was who originally said “women are treated as private property on the right, and public property on the left” was absolutely correct.
•the idiots who thought naming us based on our capacity to reproduce was acceptable had a hand in this. Dehumanising us and defining us as breeding machines was always going to play into the pocket of the right wingers.
•this is such clear proof that your biological sex determines your lot in life - you can try to run from misogyny and from being classed as a woman, but your femaleness will always impact you, and you’ll always be controlled by men because of it unless we rip down the system that allows males power over females.
•I feel extremely sorry for ‘cis’ straight women in particular right now. Whilst it does affect all women, they’re the primary group affected - they’re constantly told that they’re privileged, and people sometimes try to convince them they should hold some sort of guilt for their ‘privilege’ - it’s outrageous and untrue.
•If I see another stupid “this disproportionately affects the LGBT community,” tweet, I think my head will explode. The effects on lesbians are confined to rape and the odd one in an undesirable situation for various niche reasons, gay men are the least impacted demographic, bi women are on balance slightly less likely to be impacted than straight women because there’s a chance they’re with a woman, bi men will only be impacted if they have a female partner and don’t personally need abortions, the same applies to TiM, then a high proportion of TiF are in fact lesbians.
•I do, however, feel very sorry for women who have traits that do/will in fact restrict their ability to access abortions - poverty, race, certain cultures and religions, abusive partners/family members and disabilities.
•blaming radfems is classic victim blaming. Some do end up having dealings with right wingers, but that’s because they’re pushed to out of desperation because our rights are under attack - many do it as a ‘least worst’ option.
•I can’t remember who I’m quoting, but whoever it was who originally said “women are treated as private property on the right, and public property on the left” was absolutely correct.
•the idiots who thought naming us based on our capacity to reproduce was acceptable had a hand in this. Dehumanising us and defining us as breeding machines was always going to play into the pocket of the right wingers.
•this is such clear proof that your biological sex determines your lot in life - you can try to run from misogyny and from being classed as a woman, but your femaleness will always impact you, and you’ll always be controlled by men because of it unless we rip down the system that allows males power over females.
•I feel extremely sorry for ‘cis’ straight women in particular right now. Whilst it does affect all women, they’re the primary group affected - they’re constantly told that they’re privileged, and people sometimes try to convince them they should hold some sort of guilt for their ‘privilege’ - it’s outrageous and untrue.
•If I see another stupid “this disproportionately affects the LGBT community,” tweet, I think my head will explode. The effects on lesbians are confined to rape and the odd one in an undesirable situation for various niche reasons, gay men are the least impacted demographic, bi women are on balance slightly less likely to be impacted than straight women because there’s a chance they’re with a woman, bi men will only be impacted if they have a female partner and don’t personally need abortions, the same applies to TiM, then a high proportion of TiF are in fact lesbians.
•I do, however, feel very sorry for women who have traits that do/will in fact restrict their ability to access abortions - poverty, race, certain cultures and religions, abusive partners/family members and disabilities.
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emmer_moans
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I'm so angry that the US cares more about the right to bear arms, than allowing women the right to bodily autonomy 
1st world country? Is it feck!!!
I'm in UK but I'm so angry about it on behalf of fellow women in US. Goes to show how deep rooted misogyny is. We knew already, but to actually turn back such legislation just boggles my mind.
They know who a woman is when they want to take away her rights!!
1st world country? Is it feck!!!I'm in UK but I'm so angry about it on behalf of fellow women in US. Goes to show how deep rooted misogyny is. We knew already, but to actually turn back such legislation just boggles my mind.
They know who a woman is when they want to take away her rights!!
I thought exactly this. I read some comments on Facebook about this and so many pro trans people saying he should have had therapy and a psychological evaluation before surgery. Wait, isn’t that what you’ve been calling conversion therapy? Isn’t the line of thought - the second a person says they think they are the other gender they’ve to clap and cheer and send them off to the docs for hormones?? Absolutely no chat about it, nope, that would be hateful and bigoted!! Evil evil conversion therapy. They can’t keep their stories straight because it’s all BS.
I’ve been brave in work this week. There were some conversations around Pride month and pronouns were mentioned by a male gay colleague (who is one of the two employees in the whole organisation who has put his on his email sig, completely off his own bat). He mentioned pronouns helping those who identify as they/them (of which there are none in our workplace). I was brave and said you know, I don’t have a gender identity. I’m a woman, therefore I am. That’s it, a woman by design. Not cis. Just a woman. He was seething
Cassandra333
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I started out as a tran ally. Then I started to notice tweets that said 'Kill a terf' or 'Stab a terf'. So I put out a tweet saying that I fully supported trans people but violence against women was wrong. I was called a transphobe, a bigot and a Nazi. Thats when I started looking into properly and realised what was going on.
Now I won't support trans ideology at all. It's dangerous and abusive. Trans activists are angry misogynistic men who are delighted at being able to abuse and intimidate women whilst claiming 'virtue' in their signalling.
It needs to stop and people need to wake up.
Now I won't support trans ideology at all. It's dangerous and abusive. Trans activists are angry misogynistic men who are delighted at being able to abuse and intimidate women whilst claiming 'virtue' in their signalling.
It needs to stop and people need to wake up.
nothanksbabes
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Even the results of "successful" phalloplasty on FtM patients are utterly dreadful. I'm sure they'd accuse me of transphobia, but I'm not sure what the purpose of their useless Frankenstein skin dildo is meant to be... you'd have to not know what a penis is to mistake it for the real thing, they don't function... the fact any self-respecting doctor would do that to a human being is shocking.
DoraMaar
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But this policy will cause literal drowning among trans people
Fina bans trans swimmers from women's elite events - BBC Sport
Fina, swimming's world governing body, votes to stop transgender athletes from competing in women's elite races if they have gone through any part of the process of male puberty.www.bbc.com
This is good news in terms of protecting the Olympics, but it seems it does not affect college events aka Lia Thomas can still do his thing. Some of the comments against it are baffling- calling it unscientific
Icing _on_ the_cake
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Women are trapped between right wing and left wing misogyny. Matt Walsh who knows what a woman is and that we have specific needs but thinks that motherhood is our destiny and abortion is evil. Or your Twittee TRA who supports abortion but sees women as sex objects that they should have the rights of access to.
judgejohndeed
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I'm going to just be very blunt here - I don't believe this person 'wasn't told'. They are a UK patient and I work in this legal area in these kinds of cases. Oftentimes, patients who claim they 'weren't told' were indeed told. For some reason or other, though, they failed to attach any significant weight to that information at the time. In this case, I would expect what has happened is the patient was told of the side effects and two things happened. First, they were so desperate that they did not care about the side effects. Second, they were told by the braying TRA mob to ignore the naysayers. Doctors cannot force a patient to take on board what they have said, they cannot - and are not required - to force a patient to take their advice, nor to attach weight to certain information. This does not mean they were not told. If this patient in particular was literally not told, they would have a very good case in clinical negligence, but I would expect to also see that surgeon struck off by the GMC.
The fact that in this jurisdiction neither of those things are happening routinely suggests to me that patients are not 'not being told'. And while it is easy with the benefit of hindsight to claim you were mentally ill etc, like I said - simply asking for this surgery is not a mental illness as classified by e.g. the WHO, and TRAs are constantly telling us that transgenderism isn't a mental illness. I feel desperately sorry for these people, but I feel they are lashing out at the wrong people. When they wanted this surgery, surgeons were their saviours. Now they've realised what they've chosen to do to their bodies, doctors are the devil. This kind of buyer's regret is completely understandable, but I am sorry to say all these patients played a role in their situation. If they want to point the finger I'd look to the Montgomeries of the world, the faux 'medics' telling them to ignore any mean nasty transphobic doctors trying to tell them the risks. A doctor who lied, withheld info, or manipulated info will be sued and struck off - Montgomerie faces no consequences whatsoever for telling these vulnerable people lies. I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that deliberately spreading health misinformation needs some kind of criminal sanction tbh.
The fact that in this jurisdiction neither of those things are happening routinely suggests to me that patients are not 'not being told'. And while it is easy with the benefit of hindsight to claim you were mentally ill etc, like I said - simply asking for this surgery is not a mental illness as classified by e.g. the WHO, and TRAs are constantly telling us that transgenderism isn't a mental illness. I feel desperately sorry for these people, but I feel they are lashing out at the wrong people. When they wanted this surgery, surgeons were their saviours. Now they've realised what they've chosen to do to their bodies, doctors are the devil. This kind of buyer's regret is completely understandable, but I am sorry to say all these patients played a role in their situation. If they want to point the finger I'd look to the Montgomeries of the world, the faux 'medics' telling them to ignore any mean nasty transphobic doctors trying to tell them the risks. A doctor who lied, withheld info, or manipulated info will be sued and struck off - Montgomerie faces no consequences whatsoever for telling these vulnerable people lies. I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that deliberately spreading health misinformation needs some kind of criminal sanction tbh.
Cassandra333
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Yes, I totally agree. And I supported KJ at the time.
I used to be a caseworker for UK Immigration. The one special class outside of the Rules (i.e. race, political opinion etc etc) were Pakistani women. Not women from Somalia or India or any other country. Just Pakistani women. The reason for that was that Pakistani women could not go to the police for help. If a man decided to set his wife on fire, the police would help him do it. So Pakistani women are a protected group.
It annoys me greatly that people don't realise that when Pakistani men come to live here, they don't suddenly become feminists. They remain abusive men who see women as chattels. But the authorities won't admit it, won't let anyone talk about it, close down all discussion. Apparently women are not important to them.