Gender Discussion #27

[WhittlingIhopMonkey]

It's nothing to do with Terfs or TRAs, that discussion is a red herring to distract us.

This is about MEN controlling WOMENS bodies and more specifically their sex lives. This is men punishing women for having sex.

The end.

 

[Cassandra333]

If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. And available in pubs. (Very old saying!)

I want to say something about the whole KJK and 'A Woman's Place' thing. I remember it when it happened. Caused a huge split. KJ had done a lot of organising for the first event and AWP basically threw her under the bus. It was disgraceful. KJ was very critical about Islam at the time. For a whole host of reasons. So she was accused of being a racist. She isn't a racist. She had legitimate concerns about how women, particularly young women are treated in their community and how some Muslim men treat women generally. Both of these problems are well known to authority but they are never talked about.

Before I go any futher, I'd like to point out that Islam is not a race. It's a religious belief and a political ideology. Neither of those things are above criticism in the UK today.

So KJ got thrown under the bus and all of us who saw it as an attack on freedom of speech, followed her. She was next accused of getting into bed with the right wing. Simply because the only place that would allow her to book a room was owned by right wing people. What was she supposed to do? Stand back and say 'Oh well, we can't do it then'. The attack against her was rabid and she didn't deserve it.

She stands on one thing only - Women are adult human females. And I think she's right to do that. We don't need to muddy the waters with political parties. It weakens the message and adds no value. Personally I don't think there is a left and right anymore. I think we have lies, corruption and politicians lining their own pockets before they think of anyone else. But that's just my opinion. Everyone else is entitled to theirs.

I no longer support trans ideology in any way. I don't support child abuse and I never will. I also believe that trans ideology is a religious belief not a scientific theory. I'm not going to support that.

Sorry for rambling.

 

[AlanBanan]

TiMs always talk about how their ‘vaginas’ are the same or superior to ‘CIS’ womens vaginas yet their ‘vaginas’ are just basically an empty wound that leads to nowhere. No womb, no ovaries, not even a cervix. It’s literally an empty canal that will forever remind them why they’re not and never will be a woman.

Also, they always have to dilate with plastic rods to keep it open, as it is a wound and will force itself to close, it is prone to infection so regularly they need antibiotic creams and tablets to combat infection. Balls of hair can grow inside it. When they have sex it hurts and they get even more scar tissue and more infections as the wound is basically being interfered with from healing. The worst thing of all is that they smell like shit as it’s fused to the colon! Many TiMs have spoken about how doctors and specialists never told them that their wounds smell of shit and the smell takes ages to go away and that’s if it goes away!

I’ve also seen stories about how TiMs hide their frankenpussies from men and will have sex in the dark and not allow men to give them oral sex from fear of the men finding out they’re trans because their neo vaginas look so battered and weird, even though they constantly parade how amazing their vaginas are!

 

[Kittypops]

This happened at work yesterday:
I've been working on a document and did the final edits. Submitted edits to the rest of the team (all male).
Nothing was said.
Another (male) colleague who I copied in on regarding the edits (they're outside of the main team) agrees with my edits and... the main team all agree with him. Yep, they're my edits, my rationale, my understanding as I've been majorly involved. He hasn't.
And then... one of the team made unsolicited changes outside of the brand identity which looked all kinds of wrong. Then I was tasked with removing them and putting it righ. Um, no - make him do it.

Sexism thrives in that office and they know it. Imagine having that power?

 

[judgejohndeed]

This thread is heartbreaking. The thought of this happening to my lovely, gender non-conforming, sensitive male friends (who all grew up to be successful gay men) is horrifying.

Of course Colin Montgomery comes along like this troll he is to tell this lad he's lying. Heartless.

I feel so sorry for this person but I have to say...this constant need to shift the blame is starting to be very jarring to me as well. It's always 'why didn't anyone tell me?' when this person in particular was an adult at the time. I am getting increasingly tired of the way the blame for this horrible stuff is constantly being pushed onto medics, this person asked for this surgery - this cannot go down as a 'horrible doctors doing horrible things to innocent victims' scandal IMO because that ignores the fact that a whole host of people push for these surgeries and push for medics to be captured by this ideology.

And can you even imagine what would happen or be said about a doctor who tried to explain potential bad side effects to a patient? Immediately attacked for transphobia or 'trying to put them off' etc. I saw a study on Twitter yesterday about PBs and there were what looked to be non medics/scientists/academics AUTOMATICALLY questioning the source and methods purely because it said 'hey, maybe these aren't so great after all'. I would argue that TRAs seeking surgery are not interested in science and potential side effects etc, it's a choice driven by ideology not fact.

Idk I hope this makes sense because I truly do feel this surgery is awful and I imagine this particular person has a clear clinical negligence claim, but we can't pretend that this is all the doing of the medical profession. TRAs are begging for this stuff to be done to them and at the time I imagine they don't care about the bad side effects. I work with medics and have a few medical friends and I know a lot of them are absolutely terrified of losing their jobs or being struck off if they are called transphobic for refusing to prescribe something or refer for gender affirming interventions. There is far less autonomy over how doctors manage patient care than a lot of people seem to think.

 

[witchofwestbyfleet]

A friend in the USA attended an abortion protest today and is apologising on her social media for saying "pregnant women" instead of "pregnant people." She's 51 years old, has three children, and should know damn well where they came from. It's painful

 

[callurdadurinacult]

Seen on twitter pictures found in a reply

Spoiler: Upsetting pictures

View attachment 1345138View attachment 1345139

How ANYONE can look at that and say it's not a mental illness is absolutely beyond me. How is this any different than those people who beg doctors to cut off their leg or arm? It's butchery, plain and simple.

 

[smellyfootballboots]

I could not detest this Alok person more. He wants a future where you can choose if you’re a man or a woman. Tell that to the women of Afghanistan, you self obsessed narcissist. I put him in the same category as that horror Jeffrey Marsh. Both absolutely ridiculous and women hating creeps that have way too much influence over impressionable teens. They make my skin crawl.

Oh and this article also tells us about all the different gender identities and the THREE different sexes. Have never read so much bullshit in my life.

Alok Vaid-Menon talks 'exciting time' for queer comedians, confronting gender binary — USA TODAY

Alok Vaid-Menon talks about being on the road with their tour, observing toxic masculinity in comedy, and confronting gender binary.

apple.news

Alok is the monster LGBTA-Z created. Sadly, there are many of these men abusing their way through the world, it is going to be very difficult to get them into the prison cells where they belong.

 

[Scotch Mist]

But maybe if you voiced your opinion, it would encourage other non-believers to speak up too?

Not worth the risk where I work and I can't afford to lose my job. Sounds cowardly I know but I'm going to save it until I'm ready to leave.

We have a company intranet. Whenever there are posts about racial equality loads of people 'like' the comments. There was a trans supporting post put on there recently and only one person in the whole organisation 'liked' it.
I think that actually speaks volumes

 

[sheleg]

I think some of them really do believe that, there is a lot of propaganda out there about how trans "vaginas" look and feel exactly like "cis" vaginas and no one could ever tell the difference. From what I've seen, TIFs are a lot more aware that phalloplasty is very hit and miss and they'd have a lot of scarring (sometimes planning tattoos over it, etc.)

Vaginoplasty looks like a load of wafer thin smoked ham stuffed down a sink.

Phalloplasty looks like an uncooked Quorn roast.

It’s Frankenstein surgery.

 

[Our Cilla]

Big dilemma I really don't know who to vote for. As a lifelong Labour supporter I cannot in my heart of hearts vote for a party that refuses to define what a Woman is. We have local elections and the doorknockers are out again this time Labour. I started with asking the simple question what is a Woman? She looked down at her little socks and sandals, went a boiled shite colour, and gulped and proceeded to tell me all about genders and people having the right to be gender fluid. Then she kept on mixing Gender up with Sex. I told her you cannot change the sex you are born with and and that there are only biological men and woman and tried to educate her re men with penises etc, safe spaces, etc etc but she walked away saying she couldn't argue with someone like me!! I really really don't want to waste my vote but FFS who deserves my vote?

Edited for typos

 

[Nelly's mum]

I just saw on another thread that Dylan Mulvaney - TIM - has produced a Tik Tok in partnership with Tampax.

He thinks that Super/Regular refers to size of vagina (what a male assumption) not menstrual flow. Wonder if he has ever heard of Toxic Shock Syndrome?

I am fuming at this, what a dangerous idiot

 

[maytoseptember]

Reduxx again investigating the stories that no one else will. Also chimes in with our discussion the other day about how queer theory and academia keep providing platforms for paedophiles and paedophile apologists under the guise of it being an alternative sexuality.



The “alternative sexuality” also makes them feel bold enough to rock up at Pride.

 

[Sweetcouchpotato]

Thanks for the support… I just can’t even bring myself to start the conversation which I know is burying my head in the sand. I don’t care if she put it on tiktok or not, it’s the fact that she even thinks I SHOULD include TIMs in feminism that’s pissing me off Not sure anyone remembers but a while back I wrote about her crying as some girls at school had done a presentation on why trans athletes shouldn’t be in female sports. She said, oh so you agree with them? I said yes and that was the end of conversation. First I moan about my bf not understanding and now her, bloody hell

I'm so sorry. It's so heartbreaking! My daughter is also totally captured by this nonsense. She knows I'm a rape survivor and don't want people with penises in spaces where I feel vulnerable but says women who feel that way are "mental". I'm also intersex and have told her my caution about youngsters like her friends seeking to transition is that I know the reality of being on hrt for life, and as someone born with a body that is neither completely female nor male I don't understand why someone would choose to do it to themselves. She just says trans people come first and even intersex people have no idea of their suffering and vulnerability to violence and death.

It is scary how fast the indoctrination happens. After a lifetime of home education, she had six months in a school and here we are....nothing matters more than trans people and she'll throw any woman or girl under the bus. No logic works. She's utterly brainwashed.

 

[thegirlscout]

In other news- what the fuck Verso books?!

 

[Vanelope]

How does disqualifying someone from competing in elite swimming competitions - like the Olympics - mean they don’t have any intention to learn to swim? Guess what - 99.9 % of swimmers will not be elite.

These people are insane

 

[Vanelope]

Carrier?

I thought we at least owned them. Just carrying now? For the use of men to create babies in? Ffs

Also this sort of thing is stupid because some women don’t have wombs - and if we could all agree a woman is what she actually is and call her as such we would not be excluding people by focusing on organs only.

men cause all the problems in this world - I’m more and more convinced of that

 

[Mrs brighside]

It seems to me women are once again second class citizens. Everything we have fought for is being tuned upside down due to the minority shouting their mouths off.
sorry, but no womb, no opinion, just cos you say you’re something doesn’t make it true

 

[rainbowtapirs]

On the bright side, FINA have made a sensible choice here:

Fina bars transgender swimmers from women's elite events if they went through male puberty

Fina, swimming's world governing body, votes to stop transgender athletes from competing in women's elite races if they have gone through any part of the process of male puberty.

www.bbc.com

 

[Glortard]

Probably it’s because I read about this whole sex-gender-LGBT thing from Twitter. They often discuss about these matters and more often than not dismiss the idea of biological sex and rather only focus on whichever gender they identify themselves as. Whenever someone jumped in to discuss the difference between sex and gender, the people there would not, by the end of the day, identify themselves as their biological sex. They will always bring the argument that gender is what defines them, and not their biological sex.

I do agree that any kind of surgery won’t change our biological sex since its written in our DNA, but then comes a whole new argument such as “trans woman is woman”, and it further complicates the issue. So now they identify as a woman biologically, or woman as in gender? What does “trans woman is woman” mean and what is it trying to tell us, if, gender is just a social construct and they choose to comply to the very construct they reject in the first place?

If gender is a social construct then one can identify as a woman while Having masculine haircut and wearing masculine clothing without having to identify as another gender (for example, a male). But then comes more argument that it’s not as simple as wearing male clothing but rather not feeling comfortable in their own body, and what does that mean? Is it wanting to remove their genitalia, or rather want to be seen as someone else new entirely?

sorry for keep asking but I have so much questions in my head regarding this topic and I learned a lot from the other tattlers, so, thank you!

We are at the absurd situation where despite me having currently a large beard could call myself a woman, apply some lipstick and some woman online would applaud my bravery. I could then label myself as a lesbian, join a dating site and look to date lesbian woman. If they refused I could have them labelled as transphobes, have them thrown off the site.

So yes you can go online and people will use a lot of word salad but what this trans movement largely boils is a lot of mentally unwell people giving themselves labels along with guys getting off on dressing up as woman in public for a sexual thrill.

10 years ago if the Jamie Wallis story broke he would have been rightly subjected to the same level of pish taking that David Mellor had. Now we have people like Ash Sarkar calling him brave.