Gender Discussion #26

[Peachsquish]

Just seen, this is about the 6th former who was hounded out of school

I was hounded out of school for 'transphobia'

There is no forgiveness for those who question dogma

unherd.com

 

[maytoseptember]

I know we’ve asked this a million times but WHY are they getting rid of woman but not man?
Is it
A: because actual trans females are offended by being called women? But still must know they are and will suffer female health issues?
B: Trans males don’t want to be reminded they are not women so won’t suffer from these?
C: organisations ASSUMING one or both of these?

I think it’s a shitstorm of all three.

But what you never see is TIFs lobbying and proselytising “Not all men have prostates! Not all men have prostates” (because female socialisation) which means discussions around men’s health remains - thankfully - unharmed.

So - and this is the kicker - they team up with the TIMs to duck up the language around women’s health instead. TIMs and TIFs alike seeking validation, just in different ways. The TIMs like to say not all women have uteruses, the TIFs like to say some men have periods.

People at prostate cancer charities must be breathing a sigh of relief… but nervously awaiting the day they might have to gender neutralise their language.

 

[Nelly's mum]

I have some theories but they’re quite dark and dystopian. Briefly, I envision biological women becoming a sort of silent underclass with no language to express femaleness. Women will be imprisoned for speaking out, and will be subjected to abuse in prisons from trans-identifying male criminals. In other words, a bleak picture.

I hope I’m wrong.

That is certainly bleak
I am an optimistic soul - I feel this cult of trans we are going through is a societal phase of self-indulgent navel-gazing.
It is a movement that will implode when enough people realise it is a meaningless load of balls, created by a very small but demanding group of individuals.

 

[HoGi]

I thought this article was really good. It highlights just how small the trans population is and exactly why we shouldn't be pandering to them

MICK HUME argues why so many have distorted view of UK demographics # via https://android.com

 

[Ensay]

I know we’ve asked this a million times but WHY are they getting rid of woman but not man?
Is it
A: because actual trans females are offended by being called women? But still must know they are and will suffer female health issues?
B: Trans males don’t want to be reminded they are not women so won’t suffer from these?
C: organisations ASSUMING one or both of these?

I would be happy right now for it to either say female or male cancers, I’ve given up with hoping ‘woman’ will ever be typed again on an NHS page. But the very fact it says MEN but no women is just batshit. I just called my bf raging and he said, I am annoyed but don’t really get as mad as you about things. I said, well there’s your definition of privilege, and you should be raging on behalf of your daughter, if no one else. Does anyone else feel like there is just no point trying to have these conversations with men sometimes as they are so unaffected by it.

I think a lot of people don’t care about anything that doesn’t directly impact them.

Not just limited to men when it comes to sexism, a lot of white people don’t care about racism, a lot of young people don’t care about ageism, a lot of straight people don’t care about gay rights and so on.

It’s quite depressing and I don’t think they’re ‘bad’ people. A lot just have busy and stressful lives so they don’t have the time or energy to care about things that don’t impact them directly.

 

[emm]

I think a lot of people don’t care about anything that doesn’t directly impact them.

Not just limited to men when it comes to sexism, a lot of white people don’t care about racism, a lot of young people don’t care about ageism, a lot of straight people don’t care about gay rights and so on.

It’s quite depressing and I don’t think they’re ‘bad’ people. A lot just have busy and stressful lives so they don’t have the time or energy to care about things that don’t impact them directly.

Yeh I agree, if I wasn't reading here I wouldn't really have an idea about the extent to waht is happening.
That poor girl hounded out of school, I feel bad for students now tbh, it was a difficult enough time when I was a teenager 20 years ago but looking at it now I am so glad I didn't have to live through this

 

[smellyfootballboots]

I know we’ve asked this a million times but WHY are they getting rid of woman but not man?
Is it
A: because actual trans females are offended by being called women? But still must know they are and will suffer female health issues?
B: Trans males don’t want to be reminded they are not women so won’t suffer from these?
C: organisations ASSUMING one or both of these?

I would be happy right now for it to either say female or male cancers, I’ve given up with hoping ‘woman’ will ever be typed again on an NHS page. But the very fact it says MEN but no women is just batshit. I just called my bf raging and he said, I am annoyed but don’t really get as mad as you about things. I said, well there’s your definition of privilege, and you should be raging on behalf of your daughter, if no one else. Does anyone else feel like there is just no point trying to have these conversations with men sometimes as they are so unaffected by it.

The aim is to remove woman as a sex class. If they remove it from everywhere in life then *women* becomes undefinable and irrelevant in law. If you cannot explain what a woman is, then there is no way you can fight for it. A very good example of this recently was in the Texas senate hearing on abortion rights. When asked what is a woman?, the democrat women arguing to keep abortion legal could not answer (refused to answer) it was completely absurd and of course they lost. They probably were always going to lose, but if you can't explain who's rights you are fighting for then you will automatically lose by default.

It is part of the circular logic from gender ideology. What is a woman? Anyone who identifies as one. But what are they identifying as? As a woman.

 

[Ensay]

Yeh I agree, if I wasn't reading here I wouldn't really have an idea about the extent to waht is happening.
That poor girl hounded out of school, I feel bad for students now tbh, it was a difficult enough time when I was a teenager 20 years ago but looking at it now I am so glad I didn't have to live through this

Yeah, it's a shame they couldn't just talk through things rather than attack her. It seems we've lost the ability to debate.

The Unherd article was well written and it was good to hear more from the girl involved and that it wasn't legal to name the school or students involved. The only disappointing part was that Bindel seemed to want to start point scoring right at the start which I felt cheapened it slightly. Surely the main reason for the article was to open people's eyes to what's going on rather than effectively bringing up a Twitter spat. But otherwise it was a good read.

 

[Scotch Mist]

That is certainly bleak
I am an optimistic soul - I feel this cult of trans we are going through is a societal phase of self-indulgent navel-gazing.
It is a movement that will implode when enough people realise it is a meaningless load of balls, created by a very small but demanding group of individuals.

I too live in hope that it will soon be challenged more and that young people will start to think for themselves rather than accepting this brain washing cult.
It's self indulgent and narcissistic fuelled by young people whipping up hysteria to show how righteous they are.

Some other bandwagon will be along shortly....

 

[HockyRorror]

A very good example of this recently was in the Texas senate hearing on abortion rights. When asked what is a woman?, the democrat women arguing to keep abortion legal could not answer (refused to answer) it was completely absurd and of course they lost.

There was a scene like that in the Matt Walsh documentary. Young female students unable (and some unwilling) to define “woman” on a Women’s March and saying “but yes, of course some men can get pregnant”.

 

[Our Cilla]

I left a comment on the DM article that the same hasn't happened to the NHS pages on prostate, testicular and penile cancers and it hasn't been published. Guess that was moderated as offensive

I can never get any of my comments published in the Daily Mail.

 

[smellyfootballboots]

There was a scene like that in the Matt Walsh documentary. Young female students unable (and some unwilling) to define “woman” on a Women’s March and saying “but yes, of course some men can get pregnant”.

Which of course, is not true. Only women can get pregnant and some of those women may identify as male.

 

[emm]

Which of course, is not true. Only women can get pregnant and some of those women may identify as male.

As I have said a million times, no point attempting to put truth into this when even medical personal are going along with this madness.
I think a lot of the (especially young) people going along with this, like those from that school in the article someone posted, won't realise the insanity until they are called out when they have made a mistake with the ever-changing "rules", by which time it will be too late to go back

 

[petitspois]

The only way to stop this going further along a very dark route with various chilling end points is to stop people being able to identify as non binary or a different gender to how they were born.

It should be seen in the same way as an adult trying to identify as a child or a white person trying to identify as black? either strange or laughable.

 

[HockyRorror]

The only way to stop this going further along a very dark route with various chilling end points is to stop people being able to identify as non binary or a different gender to how they were born.

To me, this is the be all and end all. Previously, I was sympathetic and tried to be understanding (and still am, to an extent) of people with genuine dysphoria but it’s a beast that has got far out of control to the point where it’s now a free for all. Like others have echoed previously, it’s only going to harm the people who are actually affected by this, the fly-by-nights and the do-gooders will move onto the next cause when it arrives and won’t remember, or give a flying duck, about the casualties they’ve left behind to pick up the pieces they shattered by bulldozing through.

 

[maytoseptember]

The only way to stop this going further along a very dark route with various chilling end points is to stop people being able to identify as non binary or a different gender to how they were born.

It should be seen in the same way as an adult trying to identify as a child or a white person trying to identify as black? either strange or laughable.

Yep. The biggest mistake this country made was allow people (let’s be honest, it was just men) to change the sex on their birth certificates. Ludicrous. It’s a legal document and shouldn’t be allowed to be changed under any circumstances. That was the starting point of this madness.

 

[fizzyjerk]

no, I watched free on a site called odysee.com - I typed it in and loads of results came up. In HD and not a single advert in the whole film, unlike Youtube

Thanks for the heads up. I am about 20 minutes in [to the Matt Walsh documentary] and I have to say I am pretty disappointed by his tone. He just seems like a smarmy neckbeard who enjoys the smell of his own farts. Whilst the people he's interviewing seem mostly batshit, he is abrupt and rude with them. He's interviewing a university professor, and asked him what the difference is between sex and gender. The professor gives a convoluted reply, so in the edit, they have faded it in an out and put music over the top. Unncessary.

He should take some lessons from Louis Theroux in respect, netrality and sensitivity. It just doesn't help the cause at all.

 

[smellyfootballboots]

Thanks for the heads up. I am about 20 minutes in [to the Matt Walsh documentary] and I have to say I am pretty disappointed by his tone. He just seems like a smarmy neckbeard who enjoys the smell of his own farts. Whilst the people he's interviewing seem mostly batshit, he is abrupt and rude with them. He's interviewing a university professor, and asked him what the difference is between sex and gender. The professor gives a convoluted reply, so in the edit, they have faded it in an out and put music over the top. Unncessary.

He should take some lessons from Louis Theroux in respect, netrality and sensitivity. It just doesn't help the cause at all.

Matt Walsh was never going to be neutral. I think he was calm and kinder than needed, he didn't laugh - which must have been hard. Can you imagine sitting with some of the US's top 'gender affirmers and surgeons' and them spouting that crock of tit? Social contagion 'maybe' attributes to a 'teeny tiny bit' to the numbers; when we know it contributes massively. Do chickens have gender identity? Do they cry? Seriously??

The uni guy didn't give a convoluted explanation, he waffled and gave a circular explanation. What is a woman? Anyone who identifies as one. What are they identifying as then? A woman.. and round the non explanation goes.

Not one of them would actually answer 'what is a woman?' purely because they are now so reliant and invested on the income and emotional validation from this nefarious ideology they can't bring themselves to say the words. Plus, if they did confirm what a woman is then they'd become outcasts. GI is not remotely accepting of dissenters.

Matt Walsh is no friend to women, but he is spot on over GI.

 

[HockyRorror]

Thanks for the heads up. I am about 20 minutes in [to the Matt Walsh documentary] and I have to say I am pretty disappointed by his tone. He just seems like a smarmy neckbeard who enjoys the smell of his own farts. Whilst the people he's interviewing seem mostly batshit, he is abrupt and rude with them. He's interviewing a university professor, and asked him what the difference is between sex and gender. The professor gives a convoluted reply, so in the edit, they have faded it in an out and put music over the top. Unncessary.

He should take some lessons from Louis Theroux in respect, netrality and sensitivity. It just doesn't help the cause at all.

I thought similar thoughts to you, but only to the first five minutes when he was navel gazing and saying things like “do I exist? Who am I?” which I thought was ridiculous and unnecessary but I found the doc overall really good, and I didn’t pick up on him being rude or smarmy (though I thought exactly the same as you about the professor and the music in the background interspersed with footage of the professor droning on when it was obvious that Matt was asking him questions in between but those questions were edited out to make it seem like the proff was droning).

But overall, I liked his approach. A Louis Theroux approach, IMO, would have been too passive for something like this and allowing the crazies to ramble on confidently, and with this subject (say, unlike the Westboro Baptist Church where *everyone* knows they’re crazy) I think it needed a few interruptions and “hang on…WHAT?” interjections.

HATED the ending though! Thought it was very cheesy and schmaltzy!

Adding: You must be coming up to the end by now, or soon, so leave an overall review if you feel like it, I’d like to read it! But picking up on you saying Matt was rude - I thought the people he was interviewing were far ruder!

And I felt so sorry for the FTM person who was crying on camera and showing her skin graft scar for penile surgery (don’t know if that’s the correct term) and pleading, crying, that children shouldn’t be allowed to do the same.

 

[DanaScully]

I'm about ten pages behind in the thread so need to catch up but I've just finished 'What Is a Woman?'

Spoiler

It was really enlightening and definitely GC. My only criticism is that he didn't speak to any GC women or women's groups and it was pretty medically focused. Someone like Kelly-Jay Keen would've been a great addition. I think it would likely peak people on the fence!