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Do you remember when Caitlin Moran wrote an article about how easy she was finding lockdown and how people needed to try harder to stay positive.
It turned out she was finding it so easy as she was breaking the rules and visiting her mates.
 
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The idiotic Caitlin Moran tweeted about this, and got her a handed to her. Something about how wonderful it was for kids who lived through section 28 to see this on tv. Unfortunately I can’t quote it verbatim, as she must have realised how stupid it was and has since deleted it.
So stupid! Brits Caitlin’s age grew up on seeing men in drag on TV. It’s always been part of our entertainment culture. The idea that Ant & Dec doing it is somehow celebratory or smashing barriers is total nonsense!
 
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So stupid! Brits Caitlin’s age grew up on seeing men in drag on TV. It’s always been part of our entertainment culture. The idea that Ant & Dec doing it is somehow celebratory or smashing barriers is total nonsense!
Agreed. I’m the same age as her and can recall seeing Danny La Rue and Dame Edna on TV, to name but a couple. Also, two straight men doing a grotesque parody of women has eff all to do with Section 28.
 
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Agreed. I’m the same age as her and can recall seeing Danny La Rue and Dame Edna on TV, to name but a couple. Also, two straight men doing a grotesque parody of women has eff all to do with Section 28.
It remains incredibly regressive and misogynistic. Just because Men (particularly gay men) larping and performing incredibly insulting and demeaning versions of womenhood has always been on the TV, doesn't mean it should be. I remember being thoroughly insulted by men in drag, Danny La Rue, Dame Edna and Les Dawson immediately spring to mind.
 
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I’ve been looking on a few Scout Twitter pages I’ve come across as I follow the Scouting association as my child is a scout. The group he is in never mentions anything about LGBT stuff but these other groups (in England) are constantly posting about lgbt awareness and sessions you can book on to. There’s even a meet for lgbt members which is apparently just tbe same as scouts ‘but more fun’. What the hell? I’m so glad our scout group focuses on the kids and scouting values and doesn’t promote sexuality and gender identity. My kid knows people can be gay, it’s not a secret in any way and we have gay friends so I’m not saying we should try and hide our children from homosexuality. I just don’t think there’s a place for it in an after school club. It’s not appropriate. Clearly lots of scout groups disagree, I find it really sad.
 
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There are already some people saying you cannot compare blackface and woman face and that women need to stop complaining - it's just a form of entertainment. Yes, exactly like minsterals and I'm sure black people complained at how offensive they were and they were rightly outlawed.


But you know, as women, we just need to shut up and put up.
 
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I’ve been looking on a few Scout Twitter pages I’ve come across as I follow the Scouting association as my child is a scout. The group he is in never mentions anything about LGBT stuff but these other groups (in England) are constantly posting about lgbt awareness and sessions you can book on to. There’s even a meet for lgbt members which is apparently just tbe same as scouts ‘but more fun’. What the hell? I’m so glad our scout group focuses on the kids and scouting values and doesn’t promote sexuality and gender identity. My kid knows people can be gay, it’s not a secret in any way and we have gay friends so I’m not saying we should try and hide our children from homosexuality. I just don’t think there’s a place for it in an after school club. It’s not appropriate. Clearly lots of scout groups disagree, I find it really sad.
The issue, in my opinion is 2 things:

1. No ideology, should be taught without parents knowledge and consent. It is one thing for teachers/trainers to be approachable to children and to be able to hear them, but it is nefarious when it is pushed the same as a religion. Could you imagine if they started pushing Allah on these kids? Sexuality is a fact of life and should be fully accepted, but trans is not a sexuality it is a mental disorder/fetish.

2. Organisations pushing this ideology are doing so and keeping parents out of the loop. Separating, children from their parents is not a good sign for any movement, to me it says grooming.
 
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It’s so nice of Stonewall to put together a list of employers to avoid.

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I’ll just leave this here…

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Here’s a thread from Victim Support last year that says “deadnaming” is abuse

 
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I requested a CS for my second baby after a severe tear with my first. I went in armed with RCOG guidelines and was simply told “it won’t happen again” 🤷‍♀️ and (disturbingly, as it was against said guidelines) “we could always do an episiotomy”.

But I insisted. I was told all about the risks of CS. But the risks of VB were never mentioned. And that’s always the way, it seems. Apparently birth injuries after VB are considered so run of the mill they’re almost irrelevant.

Totally agree with what you say about women’s healthcare. There’s been a great discussion on Tiktok of all places around women’s pain being dismissed by medics, especially in relation to procedures involving the cervix (coil insertion, colposcopy) because they say the cervix has no nerve endings. Which is bull obviously. But that is what doctors say. No pain relief offered of course.

Contrast that with vasectomies… do we see men being forced to have them without anaesthetic, because “it’ll only take a few minutes”?
I know exactly what you mean - a close friend of mine had a C-Section, and my sister had a VB - she tore quite badly and honestly her recovery and her aftermath of birth was so much worse than my friends was after her C-Section! As you say, because VB’s are seen as ‘run of the mill’ it’s a get on and shut up about it approach!
 
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Another day, another story of women being institutionally let down:


“Since 2017, the CQC has been rating the safety of maternity services in England. Its latest figures show that 41% of units need to improve their safety, while just 1% are rated as outstanding. The CQC says the rate of improvement is not good enough and Jo Mountfield, vice president of the RCOG, says it's "probably" because the patients are women. "I think women's health and research in this country should be given much higher priority. I think women's voices need to be heard much more loudly."”
Sad but not surprising. Just look at the seriously delayed response to women complaining about menstrual cycle changes after the covid vaccine. It was never discussed before I had my vaccine and I only knew it might happen, and therefore didn't completely freak out when it did happen, by talking to other women. Don't even get me started on going to the doctor with menstrual problems. Took years to get an ultrasound to get some assurance I didn't have PCOS or endo. Regularly have the pill and the coil pushed on me, the side effects of both completely dismissed, the pain of insertion of the latter brushed over. 🙄🤨 I probably would have had the coil if my only source was the doctor but again, thankfully I have spoken to other women so I know how painful it really is and was able to make an informed decision that it's just not worth it for me. But the fact that doctors can't be relied on for this stuff is...disappointing. one of the downsides of the NHS is you have not very good GPs acting as a block to generally very good specialist care...
 
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My timeline is full of reactions to this story. This is the first time I've seen any elected official label hormones and surgery for minors as child abuse. No idea how it will play out as Abbott is an absolute tool and this article is infuriating in parts, but it will be interesting to see if other states try to enact something similar.

 
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Sad but not surprising. Just look at the seriously delayed response to women complaining about menstrual cycle changes after the covid vaccine. It was never discussed before I had my vaccine and I only knew it might happen, and therefore didn't completely freak out when it did happen, by talking to other women. Don't even get me started on going to the doctor with menstrual problems. Took years to get an ultrasound to get some assurance I didn't have PCOS or endo. Regularly have the pill and the coil pushed on me, the side effects of both completely dismissed, the pain of insertion of the latter brushed over. 🙄🤨 I probably would have had the coil if my only source was the doctor but again, thankfully I have spoken to other women so I know how painful it really is and was able to make an informed decision that it's just not worth it for me. But the fact that doctors can't be relied on for this stuff is...disappointing. one of the downsides of the NHS is you have not very good GPs acting as a block to generally very good specialist care...
I've been posting the yellow card reports weekly on to the covid vaccine thread for a while. Usually the report might say updated but it is still lagging behind. By the 2nd of feb there were 50,060 reports of menstrual issues. By the 9th feb there was actually a 1k reduction in the the number of reports.

I don't understand how that could be a genuine error .I only noticed because It's something I always look at and had the previous weeks screenshot with the higher number on a previous page , The menstrual issues women are seeing is bigger then is currently being acknowledged.

Makes sense when you realize that the MHRA is actually an agency and not a goverment body and have in FOIs admitted to taking money from companies like Pfizer. (Over a million in 2017/2018).
 
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About drag race, I used to love it but now I just can’t watch it. Mostly because it feels like women are the only group that it is acceptable to impersonate, take the piss out of etc. Then a while ago there was a woman who is now a man but now does drag, how can this be a thing. Now they have trans women doing drag, well if trans women are women then can actual women now enter as well?
 
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About drag race, I used to love it but now I just can’t watch it. Mostly because it feels like women are the only group that it is acceptable to impersonate, take the piss out of etc. Then a while ago there was a woman who is now a man but now does drag, how can this be a thing. Now they have trans women doing drag, well if trans women are women then can actual women now enter as well?
I think there was a woman in it recently wasn’t there? Although there was kickback. I think they are called drag kings? I don’t watch it but have read stuff about it. I hate drag too, always have. Feels degrading to women. I hate when people call it an art form. Ffs its appropriation at its highest level. But they can’t claim to be all for inclusivity if they exclude women can they? I also heard drag queens like ru paul don’t like to be confused as trans women because they are proud gay men, who just love dressing up in drag. They are getting their kicks but don’t actually want to be women. Just want the sexy, exaggerated bits of being a woman, not the boring, mundane bits like lower pay and less respect in society.
 
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