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Ibrokethegoddamnwheel

Ibrokethegoddamnwheel

I just got done watching Eastenders on catch up and I just need to have a little rant. There was a scene where of the child characters Lexi, was planning on auditioning for the part of Mary in the school nativity. The nativity gets cancelled and her response is “so I’ve been walking around the square for the last 2 weeks like a pregnant person for nothing?”.

I know it’s just a silly soap opera and this is a relatively minor thing compared to what’s being discussed, but seriously?!?? It’s woman. Pregnant. Woman. I’ve had it with this nonsense.
 
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nothanksbabes

SILKWORM said:


uhmm..

"many services available to cis people are denied or are much harder to access for trans people, inc HRT, hair removal and transplant, gamete storage and fertility treatment, voice therapy, facial surgery, breast augmentation and reduction, hysterectomy, vasectomy and associated surgeries and gender affirming protheses. We demand equal access to these services. We demand an end to segregation in the NHS"

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They are absolutely bleeping deluded.
 
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Glortard

Ibrokethegoddamnwheel said:
I just got done watching Eastenders on catch up and I just need to have a little rant. There was a scene where of the child characters Lexi, was planning on auditioning for the part of Mary in the school nativity. The nativity gets cancelled and her response is “so I’ve been walking around the square for the last 2 weeks like a pregnant person for nothing?”.

I know it’s just a silly soap opera and this is a relatively minor thing compared to what’s being discussed, but seriously?!?? It’s woman. Pregnant. Woman. I’ve had it with this nonsense.
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I can appreciate the point because of the constant onslaught but I think that is just normal language that would be used in this context. When someone is pretending to be something they are not such as large, old, pregnant, disabled if would often be …I am playing a large person…pregnant person. It could be equally speaking some people would say large woman, old woman, pregnant woman…..and so on. Obviously it’s it’s acting the credits will reflect the sex.
 
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emm

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I can appreciate the point because of the constant onslaught but I think that is just normal language that would be used in this context. When someone is pretending to be something they are not such as large, old, pregnant, disabled if would often be …I am playing a large person…pregnant person. It could be equally speaking some people would say large woman, old woman, pregnant woman…..and so on. Obviously it’s it’s acting the credits will reflect the sex.
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i think in this pregnant person actually sounds better, not only just for the alliteration but if it said "pregnant woman" surely that implies there is such a thing as a pregnant man?
 
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Ibrokethegoddamnwheel

Ibrokethegoddamnwheel

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I can appreciate the point because of the constant onslaught but I think that is just normal language that would be used in this context. When someone is pretending to be something they are not such as large, old, pregnant, disabled if would often be …I am playing a large person…pregnant person. It could be equally speaking some people would say large woman, old woman, pregnant woman…..and so on. Obviously it’s it’s acting the credits will reflect the sex.
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I dunno, maybe you’re right. Maybe i’m sensitive to it because of the blatant attempts to erase women centred language. It’s on par with ‘people with a cervix’ in my eyes. I felt like it was a very intentional choice of words used by the writers. I never heard of the term ‘pregnant person’ until relatively recently. When I was growing up it was always pregnant woman/lady/mother, maybe that was just my experience.

large or old people can be of either sex. So saying ‘large person’ or ‘old person’ makes sense. Only women can get pregnant so why not acknowledge that?

Like I said I know it’s a relatively minor thing amongst everything that gets discussed here. Maybe I am making something of nothing.
 
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Ibrokethegoddamnwheel said:
I dunno, maybe you’re right. Maybe i’m sensitive to it because of the blatant attempts to erase women centred language. It’s on par with ‘people with a cervix’ in my eyes. I felt like it was a very intentional choice of words used by the writers. I never heard of the term ‘pregnant person’ until relatively recently. When I was growing up it was always pregnant woman/lady/mother, maybe that was just my experience.

large or old people can be of either sex. So saying ‘large person’ or ‘old person’ makes sense. Only women can get pregnant so why not acknowledge that?

Like I said I know it’s a relatively minor thing amongst everything that gets discussed here. Maybe I am making something of nothing.
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true, i guess just saying "pregnant"would make more sense
 
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HoGi

SILKWORM said:


uhmm..

"many services available to cis people are denied or are much harder to access for trans people, inc HRT, hair removal and transplant, gamete storage and fertility treatment, voice therapy, facial surgery, breast augmentation and reduction, hysterectomy, vasectomy and associated surgeries and gender affirming protheses. We demand equal access to these services. We demand an end to segregation in the NHS"

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I would love to know which NHS services are providing all of these services to "cis" people for free. Can't even get IVF where I live. Zero free rounds. The NHS is a bleeping lottery for services anyway without trans people getting all this tit too
 
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Harrop is a narcissistic bully. I don't think he's should be allowed to practice medicine, ever, however if his conduct during the hearing is anything to go by (and the Vice article) I can't imagine he'll stay out of trouble long. He loves the sound of his own voice and can't help himself.
 
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maytoseptember

maytoseptember

Ibrokethegoddamnwheel said:
I dunno, maybe you’re right. Maybe i’m sensitive to it because of the blatant attempts to erase women centred language. It’s on par with ‘people with a cervix’ in my eyes. I felt like it was a very intentional choice of words used by the writers. I never heard of the term ‘pregnant person’ until relatively recently. When I was growing up it was always pregnant woman/lady/mother, maybe that was just my experience.
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I’m with you. I don’t think “pregnant person” is a phrase that would have been uttered by anyone until recently. “Pregnant” is such a sex-specific term it just wouldn’t be used alongside “person”.

I’m sure Eastenders did it deliberately and it’s yet another example of the insidious way that gender ideology is infecting everything.
 
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maytoseptember said:
I’m with you. I don’t think “pregnant person” is a phrase that would have been uttered by anyone until recently. “Pregnant” is such a sex-specific term it just wouldn’t be used alongside “person”.

I’m sure Eastenders did it deliberately and it’s yet another example of the insidious way that gender ideology is infecting everything.
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Yes gender ideology is creeping in everywhere however in the case of what was discussed I don't believe that is the case. I never watched the scene and don't watch eastender's so had just commented on what the dialogue that had been quoted said. The term person is used when describing one's character. The scene in question was from one person's viewpoint so the girl saying she was playing a pregnant person makes sense. Same if a woman says she is acting......she could describe different parts she was playing such as drunk person, pregnant person, new mother, doctor etc. If you are watching and listening you know she is a woman so there is no need for her to say drunk female, female doctor as its self evident from her description what type of character she will be. However the term new mother is correctly used as that refers to a woman that has recently given birth. Equally speaking the actress if asked by friends if she has had any parts recently she could say that she was a pregnant woman in casualty or she could say she played a pregnant person. From the others peoples viewpoints they know she is a woman so both descriptions are valid. On the credits it would be correctly labelled as pregnant woman as it would not be correct to use language such as pregnant person or just pregnant there.

If it was me talking as a man about situations I would use the correct language ....for example
"you will make great parents" to a couple who are friends....separately it would be great mother or father
"I gave my seat up to a pregnant woman on the train"....I am not describing what character I was but rather someone else
" the pub was crap it was full of old people" .... the sex of the clientele is not relevant to describe the atmosphere to another person here

The above may seem like I am making a lot of pointless points however it comes from my personal experience. I have often in the past read or watched something that has made me annoyed for hours which in the odd case upon rereading/discussion was not what I had first concluded. Of course if Eastender's has a new mother character in it soon and she talks about chestfeeding by all means shout at the TV "woke holes its effing breastfeeding!".
 
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