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Abgail Shrier talked a bit about this in her book. She thinks some Gen X parents in the US are sort of over-therapising some kids, like she mentioned someone getting a counsellor for their daughter because she was upset about her guinea pig dying. Therapy is really useful, I've done it and it's helped me a lot, but sometimes I think we over-diagnose or pathologise normal human ranges of emotion. The guinea pig situation is something where it was the parents job to model appropriate behaviour and you could say a good opportunity to prepare your child to deal better with grief in the future. Sending your kid to a therapist over it could basically make the incident bigger and bigger in the child's head and you are also rather out-sourcing the parenting to the therapist.

One thing I noticed over this last hellish year and a half, is this idea that you can't just feel down. You have to do something to stop it - go for a walk in nature being the frustrating go-to advice. There are times over the last year where I felt really tit, and I tried to do the 'wellbeing' stuff. I tried to go for a walk but just felt tit on the walk rather than in the house. I then decided to take another tack. Instead of trying hard to fix the feeling bad, I decided just to allow myself to feel tit. So I'd mope around feeling down and what I found is that I got the feeling tit out of the way and once I'd done that then I felt more functional. Sometimes you just have to sit with feeling crap and get the feeling crap done with rather than pushing and pushing it away. And there are times where feeling tit is a completely normal and rational response - like when you've been isolated for months on end due to a pandemic.
I really agree with this, parents are trying to protect their children from everything and we are ending up with adults that are emotionally 12 years old and completely unable to cope with life. Protecting your child should really end at Primary level and then your job as a parent changes to preparing them for adulthood and it's that bit that has been lost. Parents just constantly indulge their children. I'm 52, I had to get a job and save for my 1st car and the insurance, now it's just handed over. My parents stopped buying me clothes for anything over than school when I was 16.
 
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I really agree with this, parents are trying to protect their children from everything and we are ending up with adults that are emotionally 12 years old and completely unable to cope with life. Protecting your child should really end at Primary level and then your job as a parent changes to preparing them for adulthood and it's that bit that has been lost. Parents just constantly indulge their children. I'm 52, I had to get a job and save for my 1st car and the insurance, now it's just handed over. My parents stopped buying me clothes for anything over than school when I was 16.
I agree. The number of grown adults I know (almost all young men) who still live in their bedroom at their parent's house, barely interact in real life and don't work are growing. What on earth are they doing up there?
 
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I might be going against the grain here but after years of hearing people swear by therapy I tried it and I hated it. I've learned over the years what my coping strategies are and they work better for me. Even if therapy works for people they still need their own coping strategies as it's not always going to be possible to have a therapist on speed dial.

I'm surprised by how bad gen X parents are (general statement obviously). It seems to me that they're desperate to not appear strict like the generation before. They want to be their childs friend and want to be seen as the cool parents
 
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I might be going against the grain here but after years of hearing people swear by therapy I tried it and I hated it. I've learned over the years what my coping strategies are and they work better for me. Even if therapy works for people they still need their own coping strategies as it's not always going to be possible to have a therapist on speed dial.

I'm surprised by how bad gen X parents are (general statement obviously). It seems to me that they're desperate to not appear strict like the generation before. They want to be their childs friend and want to be seen as the cool parents
Honestly it's shocking, one of my friends was really strict with her daughters when they were young, to the point where I told her to give them a little rope but when they became teens they had no boundaries at all. They were allowed their boyfriends to stay over, they had alcohol bought for them to take to festivals, they were allowed to smoke in the house. Apparently they would do all those things anyway which is true but don't make it easy for them. Part of the reason for setting boundaries is for kids to find ways to navigate them and get want they want from their own endeavours. It's all a learning process that is being taken away.
 
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@witchofwestbyfleet while the original Gossip Girl series was by no means good, this new series is really bad :LOL: So, go in with low low low expectations haha.
yeah the original was OTT , totally unrealistic, but that is what made it "good bad" the new one is just dull :ROFLMAO: I have been watching it as background noise and was shocked to see, in this day and age, the "makeoverr" scene with scholarship girl (not invested enough to know anyones names :ROFLMAO:) acting as if she is so unattractive etc when she clearly is not. Seemed very dated when they are trying so hard to be "woke" in every other sense
 
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I might be going against the grain here but after years of hearing people swear by therapy I tried it and I hated it. I've learned over the years what my coping strategies are and they work better for me. Even if therapy works for people they still need their own coping strategies as it's not always going to be possible to have a therapist on speed dial.

I'm surprised by how bad gen X parents are (general statement obviously). It seems to me that they're desperate to not appear strict like the generation before. They want to be their childs friend and want to be seen as the cool parents
I go to therapy and hate it too, always come out feeling totally drained, but I know I need to do. I know people that just love talking about their problems for an hour but I am not one of them!
 
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I agree. The number of grown adults I know (almost all young men) who still live in their bedroom at their parent's house, barely interact in real life and don't work are growing. What on earth are they doing up there?
I think it's an economic / lack of opportunity problem. My stepfather is not at all the coddling type, he's working class, self employed tradesman, very much of the idea that everyone should be out working and yet his son turned out like this (although he did work occasionally for my stepfather.) My stepfather didn't approve and eventually did kick him out when a customer complained about him, but he is the last person I'd expect to have a child like that
 
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This tweet and the replies to it 🤯 are these people for real?!

This reply gave me a real laugh, especially because people weren't having any of it. Tbh most drag queens just go by "she" when they're in drag, but there's always someone in the replies kicking off.



I think the original tweet from Victoria Scone is fair enough as she is a woman!
 
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Oh interesting - a female contestant on drag race uk - as Ru has been pretty clear previously that he doesn’t consider women able to do drag.
 
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This reply gave me a real laugh, especially because people weren't having any of it. Tbh most drag queens just go by "she" when they're in drag, but there's always someone in the replies kicking off.



I think the original tweet from Victoria Scone is fair enough as she is a woman!
Oh my mistake, I didn’t realise Victoria Scone was actually a woman! Has anyone seen the video of a gay man being mobbed and shouted at by TRA at Manchester pride yesterday for wearing a LGB Alliance T-shirt and beanie? Not very inclusive and must have been absolutely terrifying for him.
 
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Trans people do nothing for the LGBT community other than make everything about themselves. Transgenderism and narcissism go hand in hand.
 
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Oh my mistake, I didn’t realise Victoria Scone was actually a woman! Has anyone seen the video of a gay man being mobbed and shouted at by TRA at Manchester pride yesterday for wearing a LGB Alliance T-shirt and beanie? Not very inclusive and must have been absolutely terrifying for him.
Yes, I have seen it. Its disgusting. These people are bullying hypocrites. Poor guy. What a frightening thing to happen.
 
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Its disturbing how much influence the trans lobby have to silence any dissenting voices.
Yeah, it's funny isn't it - from such an oppressed minority, who are the most discriminated against group ever to exist!
 
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Owen Jones celebrating a gay man being escorted from Pride by police:



EDIT: the latest posts didn’t load for me, I didn’t realise people above had already mentioned it
 
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Yeah, it's funny isn't it - from such an oppressed minority, who are the most discriminated against group ever to exist!
This is the 'transwoman' who took part in the attack - note the last sentence in the reply
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Jesus, I'm watching the Athletics meet from last night and the commentary for the 5000m is gut wrenching. There is a DSD athlete in the race and all they are talking about is how awful it's been for her, duck the women having to race against a bleeping man

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000z8td/athletics-diamond-league-2021-paris Starts at the 22 minute mark but the commentary gets really awful aftr the halfway point. I've just listened to it and I'm close to tears.
I'm a person with a DSD/intersex condition. If we identify as a woman, please don't call us men unless you deliberately want to be cruel. We cannot help being born with a medical condition. The trauma and humiliation intersex athletes have to endure is extreme in my opinion on top of the medical trauma many of us already endure as babies and children.
 
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I'm a person with a DSD/intersex condition. If we identify as a woman, please don't call us men unless you deliberately want to be cruel. We cannot help being born with a medical condition. The trauma and humiliation intersex athletes have to endure is extreme in my opinion on top of the medical trauma many of us already endure as babies and children.
It's not about not having sympathy, I do, particularly for the athletes that don't know they are DSD until they compete but I'm not going to stand by and have a DSD athlete with the particular DSD that this athlete has and have them dietified by commentators for being an amazing athlete when they aren't, they just have a massive advantage because they are biologically male. I'm really sorry if that offends you but thats the way it is. You can identify how you want in everyday scenarios and live your life how ever you want but in sport there is a biological separation between the sexes for a very good reason and the sooner this is sorted out through all the atheltic events, the better.

In case you aren't aware of the actual regulations, this explains it and this athlete is a)biologically mae and b) has decided not reduce their testosterone hence why they are competing in the 5000m. https://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/dsd-regulations-call-out-athletes-as-biologically-male/
 
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Owen Jones celebrating a gay man being escorted from Pride by police:



EDIT: the latest posts didn’t load for me, I didn’t realise people above had already mentioned it
"Trans lives matter" oh you know, just another example of them taking from other groups, nothing new.
 
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