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*Whispers* I think it is becuase social media trains us to think women in the 40s are no longer valued, and they see so many people labelling themselves as these new “exciting” “special” labels / deflection shields and they want a bit of that too. Sad really. But where else are 40 year old women learning about these things on such a scale? Facebook, instagram, marketing.I've had three female friends in their 40s re-label themselves as queer - they've all dyed their hair pastel with undercuts, and are preoccupied with everything pride/inclusivity related. Two of them are in heterosexual marriages. Most of the friendship group are scratching their heads behind the scenes. I get that someone's sexual preferences can sometimes evolve, but this feels different.
I’m early 30s. The only people I speak to about this is my mum, and my husband, but with my husband i have to choose my moments because if I go on about it he thinks I’m affecting my mental health reading about itI feel especially sad today about having no friends or peers my age who share my worries about this. As grateful as I am for this thread and my radfem mum, both keep me sane, I don’t think I know a single person of my age group who sees the danger for women in this like I do.
What ages are here? I’m 23
A localish uni to me has just advertised for a handful of voluntary LGBTQ+ positions for a new task force for LGBTQ+ awareness.I went to uni, they’re nothing like in the early 2000s now. They’re absolute bear pits, with speakers being deplatformed and no real debate taking place. They’re businesses first and foremost, academic settings second.
As do I. I think it bothers a lot of men when women do better than them. I’ve seen it flash in some mens’ eyes when I have questioned something at work, for example.The Afghanistan situation is so dire. I keep thinking that it only needs a critical mass of men to want it, and the same thing could happen anywhere. Honestly, I think it would only need a few thousand men to reach a tipping point. There are some good men out there of course, but not nearly enough. I think a lot of them would secretly love it if we had to retire from the workforce and not move around freely. I genuinely believe it.
Yes, that's exactly it. They'd be delighted if we could be removed from the equation.I’ve seen it flash in some mens’ eyes when I have questioned something at work, for example.
Agreed. I think the label also creates some distance from 'cis,' and 'cishet.'*Whispers* I think it is becuase social media trains us to think women in the 40s are no longer valued, and they see so many people labelling themselves as these new “exciting” “special” labels / deflection shields and they want a bit of that too. Sad really. But where else are 40 year old women learning about these things on such a scale? Facebook, instagram, marketing.
Ah I just reacted to this but was more in complete agreement with what you said.I will shout it til I’m blue in the face - get off social media. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. All of it. It’s overloading, influencing beliefs and behaviour and making people mentally ill. Particularly young people. Particularly women.
Forums like these with anonymity I feel are different, they are easier to walk away from, but I still don’t like the validation addiction with the reaction function (although I find it useful to acknowledge posts without having to reply).
I find it odd that people actually care about reactions, we're a bunch of strangers that wouldn't recognise each other in person. I'm probably really annoying on SM as I tend to write what I think and then move on, I certainly don't get into a row with a complete stranger, I've got far better things to do irl.Ah I just reacted to this but was more in complete agreement with what you said.
Personally I ignore the notifications on here and follow threads I'm watching - I don't really care about the reactions
I’m 27! Don’t worry there’s definitely a lot of people who think this way but don’t voice it.. I don’t voice it with my friends because I think some of them would have opposing views to me and I feel so passionately about it that I don’t want an argument lol, I did have a bit of a debate with one of my friends about it who has a totally naive view of it and I did get really enraged lol mostly because she just wasn’t educated on the goings on and took a ‘live and let live approach’. Luckily I have my sisters who are 31 who are in agreement with meI feel especially sad today about having no friends or peers my age who share my worries about this. As grateful as I am for this thread and my radfem mum, both keep me sane, I don’t think I know a single person of my age group who sees the danger for women in this like I do.
What ages are here? I’m 23
it is such a typical male attitude to interupt like this, as I have said I go to lots of women's/feminist lectures etc, which are usually 90+% female, yet the questions/comments at the end tend to be about 50/50 male female, often with the men expressing a grievance that there are no men on the panelThere was a 'scandal' at my uni either this year or last, I can't remember. Long story short, my uni is very much how everyone has been describing them in this thread. We have a feminist soc which is very TWAW, so another soc established themselves for women who disagreed but wanted to avoid confrontation and just have a safe space to talk about issues facing themselves and women in general. The society's policy was women only, understandably. They were doing a series of zoom talks about sexual assault and a trans woman showed up, interrupted, and refused to leave. It was really distressing for everyone, considering it was meant to be a safe space in general let alone whilst talking about such a sensitive topic. Yet the society was slammed for kicking the trans woman out. The story was in local newspapers and even went to the uni board etc. It was horrific. Women, even when doing so peacefully, are not allowed their own spaces anymore.
Most of us on here have a live and let live attitude, problem is TRA's don't, we should all bend to their will. I really don't care how someone chooses to live and love but don't try and gaslight me into enabling the delusion that TWAW, they aren't, they are men living as a very narrow concept of what a woman is. I have a young trans woman come through my station and I honestly find it hard not to laugh at them, the way they walk, the way they carry their handbag, the pink frilly clothing etc, honestly its hilariously sad. A very narrow idea of what they think a woman is and what will make them appear feminine.I’m 27! Don’t worry there’s definitely a lot of people who think this way but don’t voice it.. I don’t voice it with my friends because I think some of them would have opposing views to me and I feel so passionately about it that I don’t want an argument lol, I did have a bit of a debate with one of my friends about it who has a totally naive view of it and I did get really enraged lol mostly because she just wasn’t educated on the goings on and took a ‘live and let live approach’. Luckily I have my sisters who are 31 who are in agreement with me
Yeah I’m all for live and let live.. when it’s realistic, the problem is a lot of people like that are living in fairy land where the world is made up of rainbows and unicorns, not realising that real life human beings are being affected in a negative wayMost of us on here have a live and let live attitude, problem is TRA's don't, we should all bend to their will. I really don't care how someone chooses to live and love but don't try and gaslight me into enabling the delusion that TWAW, they aren't, they are men living as a very narrow concept of what a woman is. I have a young trans woman come through my station and I honestly find it hard not to laugh at them, the way they walk, the way they carry their handbag, the pink frilly clothing etc, honestly its hilariously sad. A very narrow idea of what they think a woman is and what will make them appear feminine.
They know it, they just don't care as their needs take precedence. Society needs to get a grip and stop treating children like emperors.Yeah I’m all for live and let live.. when it’s realistic, the problem is a lot of people like that are living in fairy land where the world is made up of rainbows and unicorns, not realising that real life human beings are being affected in a negative way
Absolutely this. The BeKind shite gets directed towards girls mostly as well, so even worse. We need encourage kids to be confident without arrogance. We also need to stop dismissing girls and women with the notion that emotional=stupid, because at the moment society says emotional = woman = stupid/subordinate.I might get stick for this, but I’d go as far as to say we need to stop pummelling kids with the entire “be kind” “be tolerant” bullshittery too.
I don’t want my daughter to be tolerant, or kind, at someone’s say so. It’s submissive and she’s already timid. I want her to have empathy for others, but to use her own moral fortitude and confidence to decide what is right and wrong.
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