Florence Given

[KittyScherbatsky]

Omg I've looked at her insta for the first time in ages and wow. What a vile person. That is the grid of a narcissist.

 

[goodgod]

Also anyone just so angry by the fact that everyone else under the agency has said nothing??? People like bodiposipanda, Gina Martin, Munroe Bergdor

Yes! You would expect them to say something, but then? Behind the scenes, who knows if they want to get involved/are waiting for things to clear.

I guess they might not want to feel like they HAVE to pick 'a side'?

 

[soph30]

I’ve read both and the slumflower’s is more about self help and Florence’s about feminism- the aesthetic is similar

 

[jobrandsredhair]

Interesting Florence is back posting on the feed. I wonder what the tea is.

 

[hazelnot]

As I said I had never heard of THP, I couldn't see anything relating to ties or funding to far right from google, but in my opinion a lot of what she talks about is conspiracist. For one she is not a licensed psychologist and there appears to be a handful of licensed insta (and real life) psychologists calling her out over the information she shares (found in a VICE article). I personally think the whole "you own your mindset" and "dont chase a diagnoses" to be extremely dangerous ideologies when it comes to serious, long term mental health issues.

Yeah, I can see that. But equally her approach is very helpful to those who don’t need to be medicated, and are simply caught up in a system that pushes pharmaceuticals rather than actually healing (remembering she’s American and their healthcare is bonkers).

It’s a tricky space. Reparenting won’t work for everyone, but it does work for a lot of people. Psychs all have their ‘flavour’ and can in-fight endlessly about who’s right & wrong. I’m not too fussed about her not being licensed - she’s not actively working in the consultation space anymore, I can’t imagine many people forking out fees for something they’re not using. She’s fully qualified and did practice for years, that’s what led her to this more holistic approach - working with countless patients who didn’t actually have mental health conditions or need to be medicated, but legally that’s the safest (and often only available) route in the States. Realising education is a form of indoctrination, to a point … there are loads of examples of this in the health sector (gaslighting women about the effects of hormonal contraception, for one. Doctors only know what they’re taught and sadly there’s quite a bit that’s been misrepresented, under-researched, or is shockingly out of date.) For those with serious conditions, absolutely, ditching everything and going it alone would be disastrous. But there are sooo many people it’s been so unbelievably enlightening to, and not knowing about the stuff she shares is equally damaging (and expensive - read, profitable!)

I find this stuff super interesting. Largely because, with the in-fighting or “calling out” between professionals, it’s often more about ego, belief systems or profit than an actual consideration of what’s best for the patient.

Pharmaceuticals are a blessing to those who need them. But there’s no denying health (not just mental) has been overly medicalised in recent decades and for all the people it’s helped, there are many more who have been significantly harmed.

… I was about to go into a spiel about Omeprazole vs. dietary guidance as an example and realised yeah, I’m waaay off topic Anyway WHAT WE THINKIN’ ‘BOUT FLOSS Y’ALL? I actually really like her podcast Although haven’t listened to season 2 yet. And bits of the first were tooooo woke culture for this almost-elder millennial.

EDIT: Woke culture auto corrected to whole culture

 

[korma]

i heard she dropped
them
in oct with the agreement they continue to manage until
jan and now with all this they’ve terminated with immediate effect

They haven't terminated, though. They've asked her if she's willing to agree to terminate early. It's contingent on her agreeing to it - she actually has agency in this situation, but she's pretending she's been dropped bc that suits her narrative better.

See the screenshot. They asked her twice to provide her agreement to the change of termination date. Legally speaking, they can't change the date without her agreement unless they can prove she breached the contract - and they haven't shown signs of going down that route at all yet.

 

[That’sOk]

Can someone set one up? I don’t have the right privledges @admin

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I think I have done it right.

I didn’t know what category she would come under so I have put the thread under gurus

 

[ChelsLou]

An actual queen of our generation, we all need a role model like floss

Yessss

She has helped me through so much. I’ve ordered her book and it should be here tomorrow and I cannot fucking WAIT to read it!!!

 

[Theplantmum]

Finally read a sample of her book and was interested in buying but decided to listen to her on a few podcasts first. Does anyone else think she sounds exactly like gracefit? Not just the actual voice but the way she talks and the words she uses. Tbh even a lot of the sentences as a whole. Sounded exactly like grace giving an interview about her career. Where everything is already rehearsed in her head (cos she’s done so many interviews) and constantly interrupts/nods in agreement. Sounds bad but it’s put me off a bit. Assumed she was posh and privileged but now I just think of grace.
It was the lalalaletmeexplain podcast btw. Never listened to Layla before so I dunno her either but was more interested in hearing what she had to say. Felt a bit weird with 21 yo Florence butting in all the time with her experience. Seemed kind of full of herself and like she knows everything.
Would anyone say it’s still worth the read? Or got any better recommendations.

I love lalala - so informative. She's got life experience, was a social worker and is a qualified relationship councillor (if I'm not mistaken) I think that it really gives her the edge and I really value what she says. I've not heard the podcast with Florence, will have to check it out.

 

[elwb]

I’m surprised with her having nearly 6 mil followers and seemingly extremely problematic, I thought she’d have an active thread.
Might be worth a bit of a deep dive on my day off tomorrow!

I would love to read up on this. I follow this woman. No idea she was problematic!

 

[incogkneegrow]

But why would she feel like she could stay when they're making her feel so uncomfortable? Come on, it is not that black and white, not for anyone and especially not for black women.

Great inadvertent pun there.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

They also confirmed that they have nothing to do with the promotion or marketing of the books - so if someone has been trying to manipulate the SEO so that WDOYP shows up in Chidera's Google results, it wasn't Diving Bell. Maybe it's because Chidera's name is literally on the front cover of WDOYP lmao.

Exactly this - it could also be Amazon paying for key prioritisation on any google ads as a result combined with Chidera’s name featuring in the forward.

I’m really starting to believe that this is a marketing campaign on Chidera’s behalf hence her push to have other influencers involved, let’s face it, both their books are going to have gone up in the last few weeks.

I’m interested to see her response on the statement though

 

[capriallie]

In January, Chidera quotes Florence on her grid and you can see her artwork on the wall behind her, so they seemed to be on good terms then. This was also the month Florence showed the front cover for her book with the quote “Florence is a powerhouse” the Slumflower

 

[urghmummybloggers]

think this is why most influencers aren’t getting involved

Stephanie Yeboah and Gina Martin sitting at home thinking -nothing to do with race - they’re just absolute dickheads is giving me life

 

[GossipLady]

yeah I totally get what you’re saying re: the race aspect making it easier to plagiarise or copy or whatever we wanna call it, from marginalised people. My issue is less so what CE herself is saying as such and more the kind of DMs she is getting from white women who I feel are trying to over compensate for white guilt and using this as an opportunity to prove they’re not racist, eg the example attached.

absolutely agree about diving bell, I think looking at the bigger picture of this situation, regardless of whether FG copied her or not, the actions of diving bell have been so shitty. And definitely agree with what you’re saying about other influencers on their books - I can understand them not wanting to publicly take sides in the copying claim (I’m sure they know lots that we don’t about both sides) but it is really disappointing that they haven’t said anything about the way Diving Bell has treated/spoken to Slumflower. I know I said it in my last post but that email she shared last night from that man was actually so horrible.

Agree. For me he is the worst person in all of this mess. And they've just made everything worse with their resulting actions.

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

No idea. It is weird and disappointing.

 

[snarkvark]

I am not a fan of Chidera, but she is under no obligation to discuss what happened yesterday just because she stands for anti-racism, or indeed because she’s Black.

She's not but neither is anyone else.

 

[GossipLady]

She was basically having a hissy fit about Diving Bell having the ~~audacity~~ to ask her what would happen if they didn't concede to her demands. Which suggests she naïvely didn't expect any pushback when she decided to cost them £100 a month more than they had originally signed up for. So basically trying to change the terms of her contract whilst not giving DB any extra value for their money. She was naïve as fuck not to expect them to ask what she intended to do if they said no. That's not them forcing her out, it's literally them seeing where they stood in order to negotiate. She says Justin (of DB) gave her an "ultimatum" but she's the one who was trying to put pressure on HIM to get her demands met.

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money them make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, them changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent

Didn’t that man’s email state that they already donate to several causes?

I think it’s naive to suggest to a relatively small company that they add £100 to their expenditure because you want them to.

Do they donate or potentially use that £100 to support new talent? Or £100 extra for their current roster or talent? Regardless of my role and who I work for, if I told my company that I’m holding back work because I want them to change their whole website structure (which costs time and money) and increase their charitable donations then they have every right to say no to her.

They showed no evidence of this... so I think really you can't assume that they do. She is saying they didn't enough. So it is up in the air but I haven't seen anything on their social media or website about such. Again, as I said, they could've explained, they could have parted ways. They said they wouldn't, then would, then wouldn't - not very professional is it?

She stated what she felt comfortable with which she is entitled to do it any working environment. I think you're kind of forgetting that they are management too - it isn't a paid job that she has with them, management works by the person being managed paying the management I would imagine... then they both can profit of work the person being managed does too. So they have a responsibility for her and her causes too.

Adding a landing page to a website does not change the whole structure. They didn't create it. It is existed already and other companies had used it. It was an open source thing for companies to add to their websites. I work in IT, it is not a difficult thing to do. Plus, they did it anyway?

 

[capriallie]

It is before she actually saw the book though.

Yeah that’s what I thought! I’m assuming that’s when their friendship soured?

 

[Lulapop]

You know what’s worded that I bet you she’ll eventually get a boyfriend and will change her whole personality for him.

Sorry, meant to say worst*

 

[Theplantmum]

Loudbossygross has said everything that needs to be said about Florence.