Florence Given

[stopthescams]

I think there is a reality that Florence Given probably has become as popular as she has because she is white, middle class, pretty and slim. That’s not to discount the work she has done but she is palatable to the masses because of her privileges, I’m not sure that’s entirely a bad thing as more people will be exposed to the ideas than if she had not made the book.

Her brand has definitely evolved from being about her art work to being about herself eg her dancing in her apartment etc etc. I’m not sure feminism is really about that if I’m honest and perhaps the problem is Florence so strongly brands herself as a feminist and she needs to just brand herself as an influencer who sometimes talks about social issues.

I can see why slumflower is frustrated but I don’t think it makes sense to direct her anger at Florence Given because it’s not really about individuals it’s about society as a whole rewarding someone like Florence Given but not Chidera when she made something very similar and that’s not about either of them as individuals but more the way society treats people.

I think Chidera should address the fact she has also taken ideas from others (there’s sex workers and a dating coach who she has allegedly taken ideas from)

As for the books I ordered What a Time to be alone when it first came out, for me I much preferred it to Florence Givens book which I also purchased. But that may be to do with where I was at knowledge wise at each point. I noticed the similarities but honestly didn’t find that surprising. That’s capitalism isn’t it, it a certain type of book sells then you can expect someone to make something similar a few years later. There will probably be another book like both their books in a year or two.

I think you’ve summed this up for me perfectly!

 

[Tanne1999]

£98 for that ugly as fuck lip shape ring. Piss taker

 

[elttat]

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

 

[Melody187]

Is there a thread for Chidera? I have seen loads of people saying she has stole ideas and would like the But don’t want to hijack this Florence thread

 

[soph30]

Sounds a bit of a repeat of her other books 🥱

 

[iknowevery1]

View attachment 621599
Yikes.

She has released a new chapter add on to her book. 96 pages and is charging £7.99!

Apparently it’s regarding how to deal with heartbreak as a feminist.

It just seems like her and her publishers are trying to monetise on the success of WDOYP.

Why is it the small edition if it has an extra chapter? I’m confused lol

 

[KittyScherbatsky]

Omg I've looked at her insta for the first time in ages and wow. What a vile person. That is the grid of a narcissist.

 

[goodgod]

Also anyone just so angry by the fact that everyone else under the agency has said nothing??? People like bodiposipanda, Gina Martin, Munroe Bergdor

Yes! You would expect them to say something, but then? Behind the scenes, who knows if they want to get involved/are waiting for things to clear.

I guess they might not want to feel like they HAVE to pick 'a side'?

 

[soph30]

I’ve read both and the slumflower’s is more about self help and Florence’s about feminism- the aesthetic is similar

 

[jobrandsredhair]

Interesting Florence is back posting on the feed. I wonder what the tea is.

 

[hazelnot]

As I said I had never heard of THP, I couldn't see anything relating to ties or funding to far right from google, but in my opinion a lot of what she talks about is conspiracist. For one she is not a licensed psychologist and there appears to be a handful of licensed insta (and real life) psychologists calling her out over the information she shares (found in a VICE article). I personally think the whole "you own your mindset" and "dont chase a diagnoses" to be extremely dangerous ideologies when it comes to serious, long term mental health issues.

Yeah, I can see that. But equally her approach is very helpful to those who don’t need to be medicated, and are simply caught up in a system that pushes pharmaceuticals rather than actually healing (remembering she’s American and their healthcare is bonkers).

It’s a tricky space. Reparenting won’t work for everyone, but it does work for a lot of people. Psychs all have their ‘flavour’ and can in-fight endlessly about who’s right & wrong. I’m not too fussed about her not being licensed - she’s not actively working in the consultation space anymore, I can’t imagine many people forking out fees for something they’re not using. She’s fully qualified and did practice for years, that’s what led her to this more holistic approach - working with countless patients who didn’t actually have mental health conditions or need to be medicated, but legally that’s the safest (and often only available) route in the States. Realising education is a form of indoctrination, to a point … there are loads of examples of this in the health sector (gaslighting women about the effects of hormonal contraception, for one. Doctors only know what they’re taught and sadly there’s quite a bit that’s been misrepresented, under-researched, or is shockingly out of date.) For those with serious conditions, absolutely, ditching everything and going it alone would be disastrous. But there are sooo many people it’s been so unbelievably enlightening to, and not knowing about the stuff she shares is equally damaging (and expensive - read, profitable!)

I find this stuff super interesting. Largely because, with the in-fighting or “calling out” between professionals, it’s often more about ego, belief systems or profit than an actual consideration of what’s best for the patient.

Pharmaceuticals are a blessing to those who need them. But there’s no denying health (not just mental) has been overly medicalised in recent decades and for all the people it’s helped, there are many more who have been significantly harmed.

… I was about to go into a spiel about Omeprazole vs. dietary guidance as an example and realised yeah, I’m waaay off topic Anyway WHAT WE THINKIN’ ‘BOUT FLOSS Y’ALL? I actually really like her podcast Although haven’t listened to season 2 yet. And bits of the first were tooooo woke culture for this almost-elder millennial.

EDIT: Woke culture auto corrected to whole culture

 

[korma]

i heard she dropped
them
in oct with the agreement they continue to manage until
jan and now with all this they’ve terminated with immediate effect

They haven't terminated, though. They've asked her if she's willing to agree to terminate early. It's contingent on her agreeing to it - she actually has agency in this situation, but she's pretending she's been dropped bc that suits her narrative better.

See the screenshot. They asked her twice to provide her agreement to the change of termination date. Legally speaking, they can't change the date without her agreement unless they can prove she breached the contract - and they haven't shown signs of going down that route at all yet.

 

[That’sOk]

Can someone set one up? I don’t have the right privledges @admin

Aja Barber

Thread for Aja Barber. Take from her website: ‘I am a writer, stylist and consultant whose work deals with the intersections of sustainability and the fashion landscape. My work builds heavily on ideas behind privilege, wealth inequality, racism, feminism, colonialism and how to fix the...

tattle.life

I think I have done it right.

I didn’t know what category she would come under so I have put the thread under gurus

 

[ChelsLou]

An actual queen of our generation, we all need a role model like floss

Yessss

She has helped me through so much. I’ve ordered her book and it should be here tomorrow and I cannot fucking WAIT to read it!!!

 

[Theplantmum]

Finally read a sample of her book and was interested in buying but decided to listen to her on a few podcasts first. Does anyone else think she sounds exactly like gracefit? Not just the actual voice but the way she talks and the words she uses. Tbh even a lot of the sentences as a whole. Sounded exactly like grace giving an interview about her career. Where everything is already rehearsed in her head (cos she’s done so many interviews) and constantly interrupts/nods in agreement. Sounds bad but it’s put me off a bit. Assumed she was posh and privileged but now I just think of grace.
It was the lalalaletmeexplain podcast btw. Never listened to Layla before so I dunno her either but was more interested in hearing what she had to say. Felt a bit weird with 21 yo Florence butting in all the time with her experience. Seemed kind of full of herself and like she knows everything.
Would anyone say it’s still worth the read? Or got any better recommendations.

I love lalala - so informative. She's got life experience, was a social worker and is a qualified relationship councillor (if I'm not mistaken) I think that it really gives her the edge and I really value what she says. I've not heard the podcast with Florence, will have to check it out.

 

[elwb]

I’m surprised with her having nearly 6 mil followers and seemingly extremely problematic, I thought she’d have an active thread.
Might be worth a bit of a deep dive on my day off tomorrow!

I would love to read up on this. I follow this woman. No idea she was problematic!

 

[incogkneegrow]

But why would she feel like she could stay when they're making her feel so uncomfortable? Come on, it is not that black and white, not for anyone and especially not for black women.

Great inadvertent pun there.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

They also confirmed that they have nothing to do with the promotion or marketing of the books - so if someone has been trying to manipulate the SEO so that WDOYP shows up in Chidera's Google results, it wasn't Diving Bell. Maybe it's because Chidera's name is literally on the front cover of WDOYP lmao.

Exactly this - it could also be Amazon paying for key prioritisation on any google ads as a result combined with Chidera’s name featuring in the forward.

I’m really starting to believe that this is a marketing campaign on Chidera’s behalf hence her push to have other influencers involved, let’s face it, both their books are going to have gone up in the last few weeks.

I’m interested to see her response on the statement though

 

[capriallie]

In January, Chidera quotes Florence on her grid and you can see her artwork on the wall behind her, so they seemed to be on good terms then. This was also the month Florence showed the front cover for her book with the quote “Florence is a powerhouse” the Slumflower

 

[urghmummybloggers]

think this is why most influencers aren’t getting involved

Stephanie Yeboah and Gina Martin sitting at home thinking -nothing to do with race - they’re just absolute dickheads is giving me life