Florence Given

[Theplantmum]

FG was sort of like my introduction into feminism and when I first read her book it was all new to me. But now my eyes have been opened to the fact that she is not doing anything revolutionary but actually she is heavily influenced by other people and passes it off as her own work!

Does anyone have any suggestions of better feminist accounts to follow?

Clementine Ford is a feminest I follow. I feel like she has the life experience (39). X

 

[Esbeepea]

I howled when I saw the big reveal. It’s like the most obvious place someone like her would go. Basic.

Ha same!

 

[korma]

I really don’t understand why she’s making so much money off of reposting messages. See I get paying black women for their Labour, but this situation has nothing to do with her on surface level and it’s starting to look like a quick way to make herself money? It’s a bit strange. Especially changing the link to PayPal. Just seeing how easy it is to get money from white people with good intentions I guess

Exactly. It's pretty gross.

 

[korma]

Thanks for sharing this

You are most welcome

 

[Crumpet41]

so from her stories I can't really work it out, is she saying that this is Florence's team doing this or her own UK publisher trying to jump on the sales of a popular book?

Even in that Caroline Dooner's stories she says "I just heard about florence fucking over the slumflower" but isn't everyone giving florence a little too much credit? I don't know how these influencer book deals work but I highly doubt florence had anything much to do with the marketing (or even writing) of her book. Is it not just her face and her artwork in a hardback book for a publisher to make a pretty penny out of.

I wasn’t sure either - it sounded to me like someone has copy and pasted the line and therefore this was sent to retailers who have published what was sent. I have no idea if Caroline Dooner has just believed what she read from the slumflower grid post and has added 2+2 and got 7. ( would suggest so going off her stories / grid posts in the past).

 

[hhheyyyy]

Seems like this band are no more..:

good. I’ve met zak a few times and sadly this news doesn’t surprise me. He’s a pretty well known sleaze at best, so finding out he’s more sinister than that is grim. I’m shocked Florence ever kept his company, as he’s so blatantly not a nice guy, he’s so loud and sleazy. Says a lot about her, I think.

 

[stopthescams]

That’s what we need to take away from this - both are jarring and annoying as fuck.

think this is why most influencers aren’t getting involved

 

[That’sOk]

I’m tempted to buy the kindle version just to see what’s actually in it

 

[bunnyblue]

Has anyone seen Stephanie yeboah’s stories regarding Florence/chidera?

Shared them over on Chidera’s thread. Can only think what Chidera’s reply will be

 

[soph30]

I haven't heard the mockney accent from her until this video. I'm cringing. Deliberately dropping her t's. She never used to speak like that. Crazy how say I, have people comment on it, make presumptions, and even correct me (even strangers) because of my class / status but for her it's cool, its just an accessory to try like her feather boa. God!!!!

It’s actually not how someone from London her age would speak these days anyway- cockney has largely died out and been replaced by MLE, or multi ethnic London English. Even white kids sound like Top Boy these days T dropping isn’t a huge feature of that accent. When I hear young influencers doing this I just know it’s not natural and they’re trying to sound cool, like they think Londoners sound

 

[urghmummybloggers]

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money them make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, them changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent

They showed no evidence of this... so I think really you can't assume that they do. She is saying they didn't enough. So it is up in the air but I haven't seen anything on their social media or website about such. Again, as I said, they could've explained, they could have parted ways. They said they wouldn't, then would, then wouldn't - not very professional is it?

She stated what she felt comfortable with which she is entitled to do it any working environment. I think you're kind of forgetting that they are management too - it isn't a paid job that she has with them, management works by the person being managed paying the management I would imagine... then they both can profit of work the person being managed does too. So they have a responsibility for her and her causes too.

Adding a landing page to a website does not change the whole structure. They didn't create it. It is existed already and other companies had used it. It was an open source thing for companies to add to their websites. I work in IT, it is not a difficult thing to do. Plus, they did it anyway?

There is also no proof that they don’t either I’m not going to take the word of someone who is clearly very personal about it. They haven’t issued any rebuttals about the latest from Chidera.

I’m really not “forgetting” anything, I have a different perspective to you, I’m not slow, you don’t need to explain the details of management to me. There’s a lot of presuming on your behalf around the structure of payment, I would suggest that Chidera “exposes” this next.

Also work in IT but I’ll continue to let you patronise me, for a small company with a shared service provider doing that work, it could be more expensive then their current budgets

 

[lmcn23]

So shocking I knew I remembered them being quite close like reposting each other’s stories etc and theslumflower’s quote is on the front of her book!

 

[spacerach]

If she is, she must keep those views very private. I’ve followed her for 3-4 years and listened to a bunch of podcasts she’s been on, and nothing along those lines has come up once (even during 2020-2021 when that sort of conversation was everywhere). Nothing visible on a couple of quick Google searches either … my detective skills might be totally shit, or this could be someone stirring? Surely with a platform that big something would have been shared or come out that made her views plain. Conspiracy theorists are rarely quiet about it…

As I said I had never heard of THP, I couldn't see anything relating to ties or funding to far right from google, but in my opinion a lot of what she talks about is conspiracist. For one she is not a licensed psychologist and there appears to be a handful of licensed insta (and real life) psychologists calling her out over the information she shares (found in a VICE article). I personally think the whole "you own your mindset" and "dont chase a diagnoses" to be extremely dangerous ideologies when it comes to serious, long term mental health issues.

I have found a good bit of info on her via unfollowyourinfluencer blog/website that someone mentioned in the comments on that reel, but it's long and I don't have time to go through it the now.

But anyway, this is veering into getting off topic, maybe a thread will appear for her one day. Seems like all the concern in Florences comments has been ignored anyway!

 

[Theplantmum]

Florence has responded.

 

[rememberwayne]

1 more chapter for £6?

 

[stopthescams]

I think there is a reality that Florence Given probably has become as popular as she has because she is white, middle class, pretty and slim. That’s not to discount the work she has done but she is palatable to the masses because of her privileges, I’m not sure that’s entirely a bad thing as more people will be exposed to the ideas than if she had not made the book.

Her brand has definitely evolved from being about her art work to being about herself eg her dancing in her apartment etc etc. I’m not sure feminism is really about that if I’m honest and perhaps the problem is Florence so strongly brands herself as a feminist and she needs to just brand herself as an influencer who sometimes talks about social issues.

I can see why slumflower is frustrated but I don’t think it makes sense to direct her anger at Florence Given because it’s not really about individuals it’s about society as a whole rewarding someone like Florence Given but not Chidera when she made something very similar and that’s not about either of them as individuals but more the way society treats people.

I think Chidera should address the fact she has also taken ideas from others (there’s sex workers and a dating coach who she has allegedly taken ideas from)

As for the books I ordered What a Time to be alone when it first came out, for me I much preferred it to Florence Givens book which I also purchased. But that may be to do with where I was at knowledge wise at each point. I noticed the similarities but honestly didn’t find that surprising. That’s capitalism isn’t it, it a certain type of book sells then you can expect someone to make something similar a few years later. There will probably be another book like both their books in a year or two.

I think you’ve summed this up for me perfectly!

 

[Tanne1999]

£98 for that ugly as fuck lip shape ring. Piss taker

 

[elttat]

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

 

[Melody187]

Is there a thread for Chidera? I have seen loads of people saying she has stole ideas and would like the But don’t want to hijack this Florence thread

 

[iknowevery1]

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Yikes.

She has released a new chapter add on to her book. 96 pages and is charging £7.99!

Apparently it’s regarding how to deal with heartbreak as a feminist.

It just seems like her and her publishers are trying to monetise on the success of WDOYP.

Why is it the small edition if it has an extra chapter? I’m confused lol