Florence Given

[GossipLady]

yeah I totally get what you’re saying re: the race aspect making it easier to plagiarise or copy or whatever we wanna call it, from marginalised people. My issue is less so what CE herself is saying as such and more the kind of DMs she is getting from white women who I feel are trying to over compensate for white guilt and using this as an opportunity to prove they’re not racist, eg the example attached.

absolutely agree about diving bell, I think looking at the bigger picture of this situation, regardless of whether FG copied her or not, the actions of diving bell have been so shitty. And definitely agree with what you’re saying about other influencers on their books - I can understand them not wanting to publicly take sides in the copying claim (I’m sure they know lots that we don’t about both sides) but it is really disappointing that they haven’t said anything about the way Diving Bell has treated/spoken to Slumflower. I know I said it in my last post but that email she shared last night from that man was actually so horrible.

Agree. For me he is the worst person in all of this mess. And they've just made everything worse with their resulting actions.

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

No idea. It is weird and disappointing.

 

[snarkvark]

I am not a fan of Chidera, but she is under no obligation to discuss what happened yesterday just because she stands for anti-racism, or indeed because she’s Black.

She's not but neither is anyone else.

 

[GossipLady]

She was basically having a hissy fit about Diving Bell having the ~~audacity~~ to ask her what would happen if they didn't concede to her demands. Which suggests she naïvely didn't expect any pushback when she decided to cost them £100 a month more than they had originally signed up for. So basically trying to change the terms of her contract whilst not giving DB any extra value for their money. She was naïve as fuck not to expect them to ask what she intended to do if they said no. That's not them forcing her out, it's literally them seeing where they stood in order to negotiate. She says Justin (of DB) gave her an "ultimatum" but she's the one who was trying to put pressure on HIM to get her demands met.

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money them make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, them changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent

Didn’t that man’s email state that they already donate to several causes?

I think it’s naive to suggest to a relatively small company that they add £100 to their expenditure because you want them to.

Do they donate or potentially use that £100 to support new talent? Or £100 extra for their current roster or talent? Regardless of my role and who I work for, if I told my company that I’m holding back work because I want them to change their whole website structure (which costs time and money) and increase their charitable donations then they have every right to say no to her.

They showed no evidence of this... so I think really you can't assume that they do. She is saying they didn't enough. So it is up in the air but I haven't seen anything on their social media or website about such. Again, as I said, they could've explained, they could have parted ways. They said they wouldn't, then would, then wouldn't - not very professional is it?

She stated what she felt comfortable with which she is entitled to do it any working environment. I think you're kind of forgetting that they are management too - it isn't a paid job that she has with them, management works by the person being managed paying the management I would imagine... then they both can profit of work the person being managed does too. So they have a responsibility for her and her causes too.

Adding a landing page to a website does not change the whole structure. They didn't create it. It is existed already and other companies had used it. It was an open source thing for companies to add to their websites. I work in IT, it is not a difficult thing to do. Plus, they did it anyway?

 

[capriallie]

It is before she actually saw the book though.

Yeah that’s what I thought! I’m assuming that’s when their friendship soured?

 

[Lulapop]

You know what’s worded that I bet you she’ll eventually get a boyfriend and will change her whole personality for him.

Sorry, meant to say worst*

 

[Theplantmum]

Loudbossygross has said everything that needs to be said about Florence.

 

[soph30]

I always see the wdop “small edition” in bookshops?

 

[korma]

Ah I see!!
Thanks for explaining x

No problem! Sorry it got so long-winded, nerd over here xx

 

[oczymlody]

Totally agree, she is still so young and there is such a difference in every year of your life in my opinion. And yeah, the message she's putting out is great, but I really hope she doesn't get lost in reality under fame and worship and keeps evaluating and evolving herself.

Very young indeed.

 

[korma]

So after telling people not to harass other Black women and instead go after silent white influencers, Chidera has apparently changed her mind and is now blasting Munroe Bergdorf for liking tweets in support of Florence (including tweets suggesting that Chidera is doing all of this for financial gain).

The hilarious thing is that if Chidera hadn't brought attention to this I'd never have seen Munroe liking the tweets, but now that I have I feel 100% more justified in my suspicions Munroe liking the tweets adds legitimacy to the criticisms of Chidera being put forward. Good on Munroe for being true to her beliefs.

I included this last screenshot of Chidera continuing to demand "reparations" from Florence in lieu of "cancelling" her, it fully just reinforces that this is all a huge cash grab lmao.

 

[northernspaces]

I have a feeling she comes from Camden and definitely from a middle class/upper class family, so theres some wealth there which could explain the privileged arrogance she's got. Sounds peak but I'd never listen to anyone under the age of 25 for dating and relationship advice .

Did you see Slumflower calling her out on her stories for copying her book? I bought the slumflowers book and honestly its nothing new, a lot of graphics more than writing, and the things she was writing about are pretty basic and have been said a million times before. Way better as a coffee table book then an actual self help book. I think I learnt my lesson with influencer books...

I’m sure she comes from Plymouth.

 

[iknowevery1]

Why did she have to make it a point to say that she’s currently renting? Was there drama around if she rents or owns her home or something?

 

[thegirlscout]

I still follow her She's all about tapping now.

I see she’s got the sex doll bimbo make over…

 

[YoureaRocketQueen]

Remember she’s achieved what she has largely bc of her background - if not purely because of it. She’s not a good illustrator or a writer so?…
It’s easy to achieve a lot when you’re born into such privilege.

Btw I loved her a lot when she first started out, and there’s many things I like about her but not so much anymore. Shes pretentious and thinks she’s better than everyone else and is also tone deaf about a lot of important and big things (that relate to women).

What is her background? I know she is from Plymouth but not sure on much else in terms of her upbringing.

 

[bunnyblue]

If anything she's making sales out of using Florence's name, surely? "If you enjoyed FG you'll LOVE this!" is literally a sales tactic lmao, it's driving traffic to her page so literally creating revenue for her. Why complain lol.

Exactly, it’s hardly a new tactic in publishing. Books are often advertised (if not always to the public but maybe in press releases) as “For fans of ....”.
Although I get it might be a bit annoying to have another authors name in the title, especially given everything surrounding Florence recently.

 

[rememberwayne]

I’ve read both and the slumflower’s is more about self help and Florence’s about feminism- the aesthetic is similar

I have read Florence's book, it has some new angles I have never thought of before but most of the book is just nothing new.

 

[Esteelouder]

I always come back to the same point. Florence NEVER shares the answers of straight white cis women in their 30s, married with Children. Feminism is for everyone.
Also, the dancing and singing whilst making coffee today on her stories

We’re all ‘SeLl OuTs’

 

[rememberwayne]

Beautiful looking girl but her hair always looks like it needs a right good wash. Blonde hair tends to show the grease less too, in my experience

Very much used to go for Princess Diana look with hair

 

[bunnyblue]

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

I think Munroe is (understandably) staying away from the issue given everything she went through with L’oréal.
Megan has been staying offline (or off social media anyway) a lot more this year, so I’m kind of not surprised she’s not gotten involved, although she must have heard about it.

It really looks like Florence is going to wait as long as she can to be active again so it’s died down as much as possible.

 

[elttat]

Florence is back online. She's shared 3 fairly innocuous insta stories - all posts made by other people. One is signal boosting radamridwam trying to get their account back, one is a list of activists who help with navigating intimacy, and one is about coming out culture/ heteronormativity.

Tbh I think good for her. I don't think she actually did anything wrong with either her book or her statement and I don't think she deserves to be booted off the platform by the mob. Sure, she's quite annoying and up herself, but basically harmless. Let her and her fans have fun online.

RE Diving Bell, if I were them I'd be livid at how Chidera demanded they handle their own finances. I think they were well within their rights to basically say "and if we don't, then what?". Chidera got in over her head wading in and making demands and not being prepared to back them up and leverage her own power. It basically shows that Chidera didn't believe her demands (of DB making a BLM landing page on their site and donating £100/m to Black Pride) were really worth putting her own neck on the line for, she didn't really want to go as far as threatening to leave or go on strike.

It smacks of virtue signalling. I'm a trade unionist and one of the first things you have to understand when you're organising and trying to achieve an outcome from your employer is the bargaining power you have, i.e. what things can you leverage. That could be your labour (i.e. going on strike/ refusing to do any more work for the company til your demands are met), or your public endorsement of the company, etc. What assets do you have that this company relies on you for, that you can therefore hold over their heads as an ultimatum? To make such significant demands without being prepared to negotiate suggests massive naïvety and immaturity on Chidera's part. I can't believe she's still banging on about all this tbh.

I'm a little confused, can you expand on what you mean here?
I thought she gave her notice precisely because of the guy's response to not wanting to donate and set up the landing page?

Should she have striked instead of giving notice?