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That sounds exhausting! You're getting so much done even with all that therapy going on, I couldn't dream of doing 1/100th of it.

What sort of art exhibition are you doing? The new garden sounds exciting!
I am secretary of the local art society so on the committee, but I'm also an artist. I paint in acrylics and watercolours and also make fabric pictures. As well our art exhibition I was setting up today (not on my own I might add) I also have work in another exhibition. I also do craft fairs.
I moved house at the end of October because bit wanted more space and a "project". I might be regretting the latter! My second career is garden designer do my garden is very important to me. I've just had 4 weeks of hard landscaping work but pleased they finished before treatment started.
 
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The oldest son of your grandfather got out.
Is he still alive?
Could you run to him?
Might he help you?

Worth a try.

No no, the oldest son is the "patriarch" now since grandfather had passed - he's even worse than my grandfather. I can't even call him a bastard because he clearly was cast in the same mould 🙄 This whole situation was his, his wife and DIL's (she's another Smegs, including making goo-goo eyes at her FIL) and my grandfather's planning and doing.

The younger uncle had gone abroad, but he joined my grandfather and elder uncle in trying to convince, then harassing us into complying with them. Unresolved daddy issues, I think. Plus he has cancer and I guess wanted our relatives to leave his children alone after he passed so he came to an agreement with them. He actually made the situation worse by provoking mum to start the whole conversation about finances in the first place - she was very happy to go along with whatever they used to command. He stirred tit up on both sides, then passed information on from mum to his brother and father, then became their flying monkey. Still acts innocent, but we know now 🙄
 
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Thank you for listening and the advice ❤ The situation is rather complicated, due to both cultural and legal factors.

A bit of backstory: Mum was raised as the scapegoat by her narc father, to be married off in a business alliance. Grandma was very well educated - far more than anyone in her husband's family, but was forced to be more of a servant than even a housewife. Grandfather was deeply misogynistic and educated mum only because he realised that educated DILs are more in demand (more fun to subjugate). His elder son he raised the same way, the younger one was sickly and defended his mother and sister but moved abroad the soonest he could, so grandfather and elder uncle hated him. Mum was married off to my dad so grandfather and uncle could exploit my paternal grandfather's (also a raging narc but more educated and refined and loved his daughter) contacts. They encouraged my mother's in-laws to abuse her verbally, physically and financially. Dad had also grown up abused so couldn't do much and had very bad financial habits. Mum also got really sick when she was expecting me, especially after my aunt tried a few times to make her miscarry me. One day they heard some relatives plotting to kill us all, so fled my grandfather's home without any money or saleable assets (they'd stolen all of mum's wedding jewellery and cash gifts etc, plus in our culture it is extremely last resort for a wife to sell her jewellery anyway). Both worked low paying jobs but started life anew in a new city. Mum's father offered to help, although he'd provide what he wanted to and made mum sign blank papers, forms, etc, and made her give him most of her salary so he could "invest it for her" (ETA: he told her last year that that wasn't her money, he's not giving anything back. This was years of the majority of her monthly salary and would have helped us be more comfortable). When I was still a minor, they made me sign documents as well. They controlled everything we did and said. As I grew up I started understanding that he was up to no good, but mum refused to listen. A) They had completely brainwashed her and B) It was easier, and she and dad always prefer the easiest way out.

So to answer your questions, and @JAR21's as well:

I have my own bank accounts that I have complete control over, for now. However, given their influence in financial and political circles and penchant for bribing their way through life, they can block my access at any time - they've done it before and stolen my hard-earned income/savings.

The authorities said it's not illegal because they're "family" (and because they offer bribes while I can't). They also opened accounts in my name that I know nothing about/can't access, when I was a minor.

Asked the banks, no way to close them without them agreeing, which they refuse. They said that they won't let go of my accounts even if my parents and I sign certain documents which will give them further license to mess with our lives.

More than me having my own bank account, my problem is that they have accounts in my name that I can't close, and which they use for not so savoury transactions, but it's income in my name (that I can't touch) that I am liable to pay taxes for. Government doesn't care that I have nothing to do with them.

No way to put money away secretly - mum steals all my cash, anything I put in the bank can be seen by the relatives (financial connections), and as soon as they see I have a good amount or something that's eggnesty, they'll steal it. Have done it before. Also, if I save even a small amount, mum comes up with an excuse why I need to urgently spend it on her/the house (tactic also practised by my friend's mother). I don't trust any friends or relatives to keep money safe for me. More on that later though.

Mum's a narc, dad's a covert one too though he'll never admit it. They also both want the easiest way for themselves which involves putting the burden on me. So no, they won't listen. And when they see someone advocating for me, they make sure that that person doesn't remain in my life anymore. Annd I get screamed at for making mum look bad in front of other people.

No friends I could talk to. Parents didn't let me socialise when when I had a good pool to make good friends from, now I don't meet anyone new except at exhibitions. Made some friends there but they are "work friends" or frenemies, not ones I can share this stuff with. Most friends moved on when they realised that I won't have money to spend on them or won't go on trips or do fun stuff or even hang out in the evening etc (even scheduled hang outs were always interrupted by screaming phone calls - now mum asks why I don't have friends to help with life stuff/business 😂). Some told me to contact them only after my life became trouble-free because they didn't want to deal with it - after I spent years helping them through one thing after another until they stabilised. Many just ghosted me.

Relatives (most are wealthy or pretend to be) hate that we are poor, and many are scared of my uncle. Many, like the younger uncle, have joined the elder one in harassing us into giving in to his demands (basically that we hand over ourselves as legal etc entities to him and his family to do with as they please, and that they marry me off in a business/political alliance favouring them, or become their literal slave). I do have a cousin who still talks to me sometimes and a few friends, but I keep them away and hidden for their own safety.

Breaking free isn't an option because of all the signed papers and information mum's relatives hold, and honestly, I don't trust her to not join them in making my life miserable if I try to get away. Not easy to disown them because of how the law works. Also she is likely to use the law regarding abuse/neglect of elderly parents against me. I don't earn enough to support two households otherwise I could have moved out for work. So I'm stuck.

Marriage was one out, but I wasn't allowed to date and was expected to marry someone selected by my grandfather (similar situation to mum's, but worse guys). My attempts to find a husband I could tolerate or at least use to fix the legal tit failed miserably. Now mum's been trying to force me to find a guy online or marry someone suggested by her friends, but they're all very bad options and a repeat of the same situation. She's mainly motivated by people saying she wants to live off my earnings, so either I listen to her, or I declare to the world that I'm not interested so she can be off the hook. I'm doing neither.

I'm really a pain in the ass for all of them 😂





Sometimes it feels that way, but then I realise that my parents are more motivated by wanting things to be easier for them, than actively not being on my side. It could have been much worse. But yeah mum always needs a target 🤷

Ah yes, that's why I was raised with the mindset that I'll marry only into a family that allows me to give my salary to my parents and take care of them too (they called it being responsible and breaking gender norms). Stopping work wasn't an option. So many suitors rejected because they didn't want me to work. I've told mum repeatedly that she should stop telling people that I am adamant to continue working after marriage because that's only attracting (something cheaper than)gold-diggers. She finally stopped after I told her that such families won't let me pay for my parents.

Mum keeps crying about how she doesn't have a job and no one will hire now. She'd left her good one when I was very young because she was (genuinely) very sick and her colleagues were trying to convince her to perform "favours". Too big of a gap in employment and skills (though she's done a few courses over the years). She's had opportunities since then but her ill health and depression are a barrier. I've been telling her to teach workshops. Even one a month would ease the burden a fair bit, but nope. Even with me handling all the logistics, it's a no-go. Tough love or throwing her in the deep end won't work. Her go-to is threatening to off herself, and while I'm sure I'll finally get a break in jail, they won't let me have any of my favourite craft materials in there 🤷


I'm feeling a bit better today. The shouting has quieted down, especially after dad and I had a screaming match yesterday. I've been trying to focus on finishing and testing new materials for my crafts and we'll hopefully see some rain in a few hours which will help with the headache. This is as peaceful as it is going to get.
I am so sorry to hear about your predicament although that word doesn't cover it at all. I am really at a loss as to what you say. The cultural stuff is a real barrier for you to have your own life. If and when your parents die, where does that leave you?
 
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No no, the oldest son is the "patriarch" now since grandfather had passed - he's even worse than my grandfather. I can't even call him a bastard because he clearly was cast in the same mould 🙄

The younger uncle had gone abroad, but he joined my grandfather and elder uncle in trying to convince, then harassing us into complying with them. Unresolved daddy issues, I think. Plus he has cancer and I guess wanted our relatives to leave his children alone after he passed so he came to an agreement with them. He actually made the situation worse by provoking mum to start the whole conversation about finances in the first place - she was very happy to go along with whatever they used to command. He stirred tit up on both sides, then passed information on from mum to his brother and father, then became their flying monkey. Still acts innocent, but we know now 🙄

I must have got confused then. I thought you said the sickly younger son who defended his mum had escaped abroad and everyone hates him now.

So he's now back from abroad and head of the family?
The cultural differences make it difficult to understand.

Im confused
Sorry couldn't be of any help.
Best of luck.
 
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No no, the oldest son is the "patriarch" now since grandfather had passed - he's even worse than my grandfather. I can't even call him a bastard because he clearly was cast in the same mould 🙄 This whole situation was his, his wife and DIL's (she's another Smegs, including making goo-goo eyes at her FIL) and my grandfather's planning and doing.

The younger uncle had gone abroad, but he joined my grandfather and elder uncle in trying to convince, then harassing us into complying with them. Unresolved daddy issues, I think. Plus he has cancer and I guess wanted our relatives to leave his children alone after he passed so he came to an agreement with them. He actually made the situation worse by provoking mum to start the whole conversation about finances in the first place - she was very happy to go along with whatever they used to command. He stirred tit up on both sides, then passed information on from mum to his brother and father, then became their flying monkey. Still acts innocent, but we know now 🙄
Could you try and find yourself a husband so that you can get away, even if it's just a friendship marriage?
 
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Thank you for asking @Chita xx
I was at the hospital all day yesterday for the first treatment. I'm having chemo + immunotherapy, and the cold cap which adds time each end of the session. They couldn't get the line in the port until the third attempt...painful. Then I had chest pains and they had to pause treatment. I was discharged with daily injections and 7 pills a day...nobody told me about that! 😱
I woke up at 3.20am this morning and read the other thread for a while then dozed.
I've been setting up an art exhibition all day and feel completely drained now.
The next two weeks are just chemo so shorter days and then the third week is back to both etc. This is for
12 weeks, and then there's a further 12 weeks but treatment is every 3 weeks. All in all with the op and radiotherapy it will be the rest of the year. I am not allowed to fly so had to cancel my holiday. I'm also renovating my new house and garden although I'm thankful for the distraction! 😬
Wow…. you have a lot going on🫣 Had candle lighting for you all day yesterday 🙏 - Try to fit in some time to rest! Garden a great distraction - no strenuous stuff to do hopefully.

@ChaoticArtist I have no advice - sorry- hoping you get a solution 🙏
 
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I am secretary of the local art society so on the committee, but I'm also an artist. I paint in acrylics and watercolours and also make fabric pictures. As well our art exhibition I was setting up today (not on my own I might add) I also have work in another exhibition. I also do craft fairs.
I moved house at the end of October because bit wanted more space and a "project". I might be regretting the latter! My second career is garden designer do my garden is very important to me. I've just had 4 weeks of hard landscaping work but pleased they finished before treatment started.

Oh wow that's really amazing! You haven't shared your artwork in the H&M thread though?

How do the craft fairs go? I don't do a lot of them because of budget and time constraints, but they haven't gone very well for me so far. Would love your insights, please, if you ever have the time and inclination to share.

I can imagine with the house. Instagram reels make it all look so easy, but even DIYing small bits of furniture takes a lot of time and effort. Good luck with it!

The landscaping being done is a relief! Time to enjoy planting/watching them grow? My spring bulbs have failed (first attempt), but I've got some seedlings of flowers I'm growing for the first time, and daisies and larkspur are blooming for the first time, along with poppies. It's such a lovely stress-buster ❤


I am so sorry to hear about your predicament although that word doesn't cover it at all. I am really at a loss as to what you say. The cultural stuff is a real barrier for you to have your own life. If and when your parents die, where does that leave you?

Thank you ❤

That's one of the main reasons I have massive panic attacks now. I try not to think about the future/that scenario. I've been trying to make friends at exhibitions so I could have a bit of a support system, but mum's there too so 🤷 Maybe there will be some miracle and a lovely visitor will fall in love with my art and want me to marry her lovely, smart son who will help me sort things out 😂 Or there's always the ultimate escape route. Even if my relatives can buy their way out of jail, I can make sure to stress them out as I go.


I must have got confused then. I thought you said the sickly younger son who defended his mum had escaped abroad and everyone hates him now.

So he's now back from abroad and head of the family?
The cultural differences make it difficult to understand.

Im confused
Sorry couldn't be of any help.
Best of luck.

Thank you, it really helped to have a conversation about this and just write it out, even if it's all anonymous ❤🤗 I'm not feeling that isolated and like a volcano raring to spew lava, so that's a great and very necessary improvement 🤭 As for practical help, I currently only lack a super-powerful lawyer who enjoys working pro bono, and listening ears, which you have provided very nicely 🤗

I know it's a very confusing situation and I usually feel quick icky talking about them so sometimes I'm not very clear either.

Mum's elder brother is the patriarch now. He and grandfather are/were abusive peas in a pod. He's the one troubling us and controlling everything now.

Mum is the middle child.

Her younger brother was sickly and went abroad. Used to defend his mother and sister (mum), especially since mum mostly raised him (that's why she trusted him and fought with my grandfather and elder uncle for him). He got sick, provoked and fanned the flames and caused the big confrontation which has led to the current situation. He had unresolved daddy issues and wants to protect his children from the narc relatives, so he sides with the elder brother and does whatever he says now. He came to India a couple of times (to convince us and for my grandfather's last rites), but mostly stirs tit from where he is settled abroad. He keeps complaining about how life abroad is so hectic, but actually appears to have too much time on his hands 🙄


Could you try and find yourself a husband so that you can get away, even if it's just a friendship marriage?

😂 I tried. Mum ran them all off 😂 Wasn't allowed to date (still tried once but he was a bloody nympho gold-digger who cheated on my with multiple women, including his boss and his "best friend" - a wealthy man's promiscuous drugs-loving daughter, whom he later married. Last I heard, they were blaming me for their marital problems more than 10 years after he dumped me for her). Wasn't allowed to hang out with boy friends outside of college either.

I've also had a very weird thing with boy friends. Always had more boy friends than girls - and very good ones too. But they mostly ghosted me after getting girlfriends/fiancees/wives. A few told me they had a crush on me and offered a chance to elope - usually after their wedding dates had already been set. This was after years of telling me that I wasn't anything like what a man looked for in a girlfriend/wife.

Anyway, mum has been bugging me about those old boy friends lately, whether one might be interested still. They're all married or spinsters by choice now 🤷

I'd love a friend husband! Always wanted one! I've always wanted a partnership like Safiya and Tyler or Evan and Katelyn (I hope I've got their names right), or William and Catherine. Imagine if I married a milliner. My candles and his feathered hats 😂

Unfortunately, after almost seven years (I think) of searching, I've only found Sparries 🤦 Main problem with those is that my relatives could still implement their original plan and bribe/scare them into abusing me/allowing the relatives to continue the financial abuse. I need a William 🤷


@Doodlebug005, well wishes are all that's needed, thank you 🤗❤
 
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Wow…. you have a lot going on🫣 Had candle lighting for you all day yesterday 🙏 - Try to fit in some time to rest! Garden a great distraction - no strenuous stuff to do hopefully.

@ChaoticArtist I have no advice - sorry- hoping you get a solution 🙏
Thank you so much xx.
My second career was as a garden designer (first was in corporate comms) and I am obsessed with plants. Unfortunately I now have to dig the flower beds before I can plant! !
 
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@ChaoticArtist

I have read your posts on here, and feel so sad for you. The cultural difference is ridiculous. If anyone over here in the UK was treated the same way as you, they would almost be classed as slaves and those maltreating them would be arrested for theft and fraud. In the UK nobody, absolutely nobody can access anyone else's bank accounts and withdraw their money. Also bank staff cannot divulge finances of their customers to anyone.

I'm afraid I'm not being very useful to you. But I admire your upbeat posts on the H&M threads and I enjoy seeing pictures of your lovely work. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for you. You have shocked me luvvy, I never knew this was happening. Chin up, we're always here for you. 🥰
 
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Thank you so much xx.
My second career was as a garden designer (first was in corporate comms) and I am obsessed with plants. Unfortunately I now have to dig the flower beds before I can plant! !
How are you doing after round 2? 🙏🙏🙏
 
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How are you doing after round 2? 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for asking @Doodlebug005
I was feeling quite good after the second one ('just' chemo), and drove home (I did have someone with me). Then I had the shingles vaccine the following day (Friday), which gave me an achey arm, then yesterday felt a bit fluey, which wasn't great because I was doing a craft fair. I didn't sell anything so could have stayed in bed!
This morning I woke up with a spotty chin 🙃 and I never have spots! Today I have been doing heavy garden work so tired now 😁
 
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What's going on with your car?
It’s all still a mess! I’ve engaged a solicitor who has now sent a ‘letter before action’ and also my medical records to show I’ve required antidepressants and the amount I’m going bald from all this tit. Hopefully someone will listen! I think the worst thing is knowing that because we brought what we did, when we did and as part of my husbands retirement plan, we have to keep using them for servicing etc and I don’t want to!
 
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It’s all still a mess! I’ve engaged a solicitor who has now sent a ‘letter before action’ and also my medical records to show I’ve required antidepressants and the amount I’m going bald from all this tit. Hopefully someone will listen! I think the worst thing is knowing that because we brought what we did, when we did and as part of my husbands retirement plan, we have to keep using them for servicing etc and I don’t want to!
What dealership is it?

Have you tried contacting the CEO directly?
 
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Thank you for asking @Doodlebug005
I was feeling quite good after the second one ('just' chemo), and drove home (I did have someone with me). Then I had the shingles vaccine the following day (Friday), which gave me an achey arm, then yesterday felt a bit fluey, which wasn't great because I was doing a craft fair. I didn't sell anything so could have stayed in bed!
This morning I woke up with a spotty chin 🙃 and I never have spots! Today I have been doing heavy garden work so tired now 😁
Am glad 2nd one went off well🙏 - never had the shingles vaccine ( got shingles instead🤣) didn’t know flu symptoms were a side effect of vac- but then you have a lot going on!!! Shame about the craft fair- do you have your stuff on etsy- my artist neighbour needs to get her stuff seen more- of course you were working like a lunatic in the garden- shur resting is over rated😝 mind yourself for heavens sake! my second lot of seeds are peeping up in the polytunnel- first lot got munched by slugs🤬
 
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Am glad 2nd one went off well🙏 - never had the shingles vaccine ( got shingles instead🤣) didn’t know flu symptoms were a side effect of vac- but then you have a lot going on!!! Shame about the craft fair- do you have your stuff on etsy- my artist neighbour needs to get her stuff seen more- of course you were working like a lunatic in the garden- shur resting is over rated😝 mind yourself for heavens sake! my second lot of seeds are peeping up in the polytunnel- first lot got munched by slugs🤬
Love it! 🤣
I had to have the inert shingles vaccine, not the live one, and it's in 2 parts but I can have the next one in 2 months as I am now immunocompromised. Yippitydooda! 🤪 Side effects are ugh, but better than the real thing. Sorry to hear you had it 😔
Polytunnel eh? Sounds hard-core!
 
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