English Channel migrant crossing crisis #2

[monga]

Maybe because until recently the UK government were asking afghans to seek permission from the Taliban - the very people they were fleeing - if they wanted to leave and seek asylum.

I'm not sure if that's the specific case of this man but reasons why people might choose unsafe, illegal routes have been given ad nauseum.

He did what he did. All this proves is that the Immigration Bill unfairly penalises those in genuine need. Which is what people have been saying since it was announced.

Sounds very much like the consequences of one's actions.

It was a mistake…

MoD apologises for asking Afghans to get Taliban’s approval to come to UK

Citizens who worked with British government or helped army told to get necessary documents stamped by the authorities

www.theguardian.com

 

[monga]

Is that to do with departmental cut backs due to the dire situation the country finds itself in ,inline with economic factors affecting the world …I believe they can’t attract anyone to these roles so have put in place a £2500 incentive .

 

[Polythene Pam]

If they are anything like Napier Barracks, they won't have been. In 2021 The High Court said that they were “inadequate accommodation” for asylum seekers and labelled the process for selecting people to be accommodated at the Barracks as “flawed and unlawful”. The Home Office claimed that following that judgement, "significant improvements' were made. In 2022 the All Party Parliamentary Group on Immigration Detention visited and found that they had "failed to address the fundamental problems at the site". Look at the pictures on the link. If that's conditions after a "significant improvement" what were they like before?

Napier Barracks: Asylum seeker site must close, MPs say

A report into the asylum site finds improvements directed by the High Court have not been made.

www.bbc.co.uk

OK yeah the one near me isn't great either.

Asylum seeker housing conditions under scrutiny at third ex-military site

Allegations of poor conditions, poor food quality and mental health crises at RAF Coltishall in Norfolk

www.theguardian.com

Given that Barracks are built as accommodation I had naively assumed it was a good solution.

 

[Merpedy]

The irony of calling out the government for doing nothing when they’re the very people fought against deportation…No apologies for the families of the victims ,he passed that buck pretty quick

Foreign crooks Starmer fought to keep in UK went on to commit crimes

Sir Keir campaigned alongside MPs and celebs to cancel a major deportation flight - but some have gone on to re-offend.

www.express.co.uk

“The deportation flight of 50 people was cancelled after the Court of Appeal found they had insufficient access to legal advice due to a lack of working mobile sim cards while they were kept in immigration detention.”

 

[Blueblue123]

What if they just went to ground after coming off a dinghy that the French authorities don’t seem to be able to stop , so yeah it’s just by chance.

And we're back to legal, official routes.

 

[monga]

They’ve always been shameless it’s the people left to pick up the pieces.
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The UK government is effectively punishing people for its own intentional failure to give refuge to those who need it. Shameful.
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Except you were directly responding to the story about the Afghan soldier.

In that it’s those that abuse the system are having a knock on to those in genuine need.Did I say the soldier was an economic migrant?
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People coming from England and all roads

This is what I actually posted..,

 

[monga]

I do not support these people is anyway , they’re the ones taking the biscuit

Man who claims he was trafficked called police to cannabis farm, court told

Helicopter footage showed item thrown in hedge which turned out to be gun and ammunition, court told

www.belfastlive.co.uk

 

[Merpedy]

I saw this earlier while waiting for the Bill to be published, thought it might interest you @monga

Ugandan asylum seeker wants Irish court to prevent return to UK due to Rwanda policy

UK cannot be deemed a safe third country due to relocation scheme, says applicant

www.irishtimes.com

 

[BigMavis]

Wow. Banning people like they do in America!

 

[monga]

between September 2021 and September 2022...
72,027 asylum applications were submitted.
15,987 asylum seekers were given permission to stay (rising to 17,658 after appeal)

Aren't like 95% of asylum claims approved? Is that just the backlog?

Is that small boat claims? (95%) those above are through the legal routes ( I think)

 

[Merpedy]

Is Iceland not part of the ECHR

for ECHR to have a say a case has to be presented to them. That can only really happen once something is in progress of happening or has happened

 

[Moth]

The pious nonsense from Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax turns my stomach. If the barge was being docked in Hull instead of on his doorstep you wouldn't hear a peep out of him.

 

[Blueblue123]

The government can hire more people but if productivity isn't maintained because experienced staff aren't retained, not properly trained, demotivated and disorganised the impact will be undermined.

Doesn't help if their boss publicly insults them either

Home Office officials demand apology from Suella Braverman over ‘attack on integrity’

Email in name of home secretary claimed civil servants had blocked attempts to curb migration

www.theguardian.com

 

[Merpedy]

didn’t ISIS threaten to send their people in the form of refugees?

They don’t need to take those risks when they can radicalise people online. It’s easy to play all those Muslims against them against their enemy though

 

[Polythene Pam]

Just going by that old article, it’s probably a lot more now as they don’t even know the ages of those young adults that went missing so checks must be as flimsy now as they were when there was less claims being processed.

I shared the full fact article that explains why the statistic is misleading. It's not about the age of the data.
Given that the government has introduced more robust policies to identify peoples ages it's probably less of an issue now than it was previously.

 

[Blueblue123]

You seem to have a dislike of Britain and its people, even Ukrainians , and you call me prejudiced

That's your only response to what I said? Very smart, very good. As usual.


Or maybe I don't practice tribalism at the expense of other people's human rights.

 

[Blueblue123]

The view of MPs:

Migration policies are harming families and society

Current migration rules are at odds with the Government’s commitment to family life: they force family members to live apart. The arrival of spouses and partners of British citizens is deterred or delayed by complex rules and financial requirements. Children grow up without a parent. Families are effectively banned from being joined in the UK by elderly parents. Child refugees cannot be joined by any relatives.

Rules are overly restrictive and the Home Office is systematically deficient in its processing of family visa applications. Delays pile up, communication is appallingly poor, evidential requirements—how you prove your case—are unduly complex, and fees are prohibitive. This affects British citizens, refugees and permanent residents, including children born in the UK and adult citizens who have never lived in another country but have family members of a different nationality.

Family migration policies also undermine society. Essential skills are lost when people feel they have no alternative but to leave the UK, and some people may not come in the first place. The NHS is particularly affected. An individual’s contribution to the economy is weakened when a partner or parent is not allowed into the country to help raise children. In extreme cases, migration policies force families into destitution, making them reliant on the state.

The committee recognises that strict criteria and vetting of applications is necessary; public support demands it. The committee believes, however, that policies that respect family life also benefit society. With this report, the committee brings the question of family migration back to public attention, making its recommendations to nurture family life and unleash the potential of families to contribute to society.

Baroness Hamwee, Chair of the Justice and Home Affairs Committee, said: “Nobody should have to choose between home, safety, and family. The primary concern of family migration policies should be to allow families to live together in the UK where possible and the Home Office should ensure safe and legal routes for family reunion.

“The interests of families and society are not in competition: they go hand-in-hand. Family migration policies should ensure that they are sufficiently protective of family life.

“These restrictive rules and deficiencies affect British citizens, refugees, and permanent residents alike. As one witness told us: “I feel that, although I am a British citizen, I have no rights”.

“We believe that it is in the best interests of a child living in this country to be surrounded by their family and to remain here. The scandal around the children placed in asylum hotels—and going missing from them—points up the importance of looking at immigration from the child’s point of view.

“Current policies are extreme. It is virtually impossible to be joined by an elderly parent who needs care. No visa was issued to anyone in that situation in 2021. Tight but fair immigration rules should allow families to live together.

“The minimum income requirement, which those trying to be joined by a partner must meet, is fundamentally flawed. It should be made more flexible, and should not increase.

“Home Office processes must improve considerably, and standards of service substantially raised, without applicants left in the dark as to what is happening.

“The Government should significantly increase funding to improve the standards of the services the Home Office delivers to families. Recruiting and training caseworkers is an essential yet insufficient starting point.”

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/519/justice-and-home-affairs-committee/news/186349/migration-policies-are-harming-families-and-society/

 

[Merpedy]

I thought we weren’t allowed to mention the black economy

The big difference being that the person predicts that people won’t be declaring themselves as asylum seekers and will make an effort to stay undercover in the country. You seemed to be suggesting that these people are claiming asylum


Family reunification visas don’t appear to be covered by legal aid hence why they may be taking such extreme actions

 

[monga]

Families being forced to move with no alternative accommodation being offered .

Families forced to move as asylum seekers look set to replace them

EXCLUSIVE: A mother living at an MOD facility said families on the former RAF base had been told to leave, as fencing is erected 100m away 'for asylum seekers'.

www.express.co.uk

 

[NeverEnough]

In light of this new legislation the means for you to support a family in need have been in place since 2016.

Apply for community sponsorship

Community sponsorship is a way that community groups can be involved in supporting the resettlement of vulnerable people fleeing conflict.

www.gov.uk

So what is stopping YOU doing something practical to help?