Do they really need to publish that. It won’t change things or bring him back. Let him rest in peace and please can the family settle their differences and arrange a funeral. Poor little mite.The sun footage...it's made me feel sick
How..just how...how could they sit there stuffing their faces while Arthur suffered. This case has really made me question humanity. How..how has this happened?
It could change things - cases like this, now it has so much momentum from the public interest, do change laws, procedures, social care systems, understanding of abuse patterns... It is giving little Arthur the voice he never had in life, people are outraged and that could mean some changes happen. His legacy could then have some positivity. I think that it is right that people see these vidoes, it is incomprehensible to most decent people that there are human beings that would behave in this way so it opens up peoples eyes to what could be going on within other homes and understanding that abuse is going on behind closed doors all over the place; that may be hard to see, but it is necessary to drive change.Do they really need to publish that. It won’t change things or bring him back. Let him rest in peace and please can the family settle their differences and arrange a funeral. Poor little mite.
He looks so loving and cuddlylooks such a friendly boy xx
11 men and one woman I believeWhat was the male/female ratio of the jury please, if anyone knows?
That was Stars case, unless Arthurs was the same.11 men and one woman I believe
I don't think she intended it to continue, I think she intended to kill him. This bit in the judge's sentencing remarks sums it up for me really.That was Stars case, unless Arthurs was the same.
What baffles me is what did ET expect the outcome of this to be? That she would just be able to torture Arthur forever?
I’ve often wondered this. I don’t think there’s an answer that any of us reasonable people would be able to comprehend. Ending Arthur’s life was probably her end game, why else would she have used salt to try and poison him? She thought she was so clever trying to make out Arthur had caused his own injuries, not realising that the medical experts would know better. She’s completely deranged. I hope she never gets parole.What baffles me is what did ET expect the outcome of this to be? That she would just be able to torture Arthur forever?
She clearly expected to have her story believed and that she would get away with it.That was Stars case, unless Arthurs was the same.
What baffles me is what did ET expect the outcome of this to be? That she would just be able to torture Arthur forever?
Yeah like the CCTV they had?!She clearly expected to have her story believed and that she would get away with it.
What's baffling to me is that they gathered so much incriminating evidence on themselves that led to their conviction.
Thick as two bricks, the pair of them. So arrogant and self-obsessed that they believed they could construct whatever version of reality they liked and have it believed.Yeah like the CCTV they had?!
Excellent comment. Agree full heartedly.It could change things - cases like this, now it has so much momentum from the public interest, do change laws, procedures, social care systems, understanding of abuse patterns... It is giving little Arthur the voice he never had in life, people are outraged and that could mean some changes happen. His legacy could then have some positivity. I think that it is right that people see these vidoes, it is incomprehensible to most decent people that there are human beings that would behave in this way so it opens up peoples eyes to what could be going on within other homes and understanding that abuse is going on behind closed doors all over the place; that may be hard to see, but it is necessary to drive change.
Also the more people see of this horrific case, the more infamous they will become and therefore the harder it will be for them to 'slide under the radar' both in prison and in later life and for me personally I can only see that as a good thing, neither deserve a 'quiet time'.
I personally think that as good a mother as Olivia may have been in her good days when she was not influenced by drugs and alcohol she must have known that TH was a total idiot, I mean that's not hard to see right? It would have been "life changing" if her mother's love and intuition had led her to be more responsible about herself in order to be there for her child. Her drug taking and alcohol abuse shows total lack of control and let's not even go into the "frenzied knife attack". We all have bad moments and we all "lose it" sometimes but there is a BIG massive difference between wanting to kill someone during an argument and actually killing someone during an argument. Should a responsible mother, who knows her husband is a pathetic imbecil, put herself in that position? I blame her for that. She is in prison for a reason. She put herself in a position that forced her to abandon Arthur in the hands of a total moron so in my opinion she bears responsability and lets hope that other parents take a lesson from this. If we want to take best care of our children we must start by taking care of ourselves physically and mentally. I cannot exonerate her. Arthur's life story begins with her.She was by the looks and sounds of it a brilliant mum you can't dispute that
What she did was unrelated, yes a terrible crime but if you read her case notes you'll see there was physical violence on both sides. She was drunk, not thinking straight clearly. But that does not mean she in any way contributed to her sons death, that's a low blow for you to come to that conclusion. He should have been safe with his 'father' wouldn't you hope if you were somehow incarcerated that you could still trust the other parent to look after and protect that child, not kill them?!!
Well I completely disagree with everything you've said. For starters, pathetic isn't the same as being a killer! Yes he might of been a 'pathetic imbecile' but how could she possibly predict he'd turn into a killer.?!!!!! Ive said it before, I'd like to think if I was incarcerated my other half would be entirely trusted to care for our children. By everyone's words in the family, before ET came on the scene actually th was described as a good father. So it's down to ET, not this poor mother who will be utterly distraught and feeling helpless and blaming herself as it is but it isn't her fault.I personally think that as good a mother as Olivia may have been in her good days when she was not influenced by drugs and alcohol she must have known that TH was a total idiot, I mean that's not hard to see right? It would have been "life changing" if her mother's love and intuition had led her to be more responsible about herself in order to be there for her child. Her drug taking and alcohol abuse shows total lack of control and let's not even go into the "frenzied knife attack". We all have bad moments and we all "lose it" sometimes but there is a BIG massive difference between wanting to kill someone during an argument and actually killing someone during an argument. Should a responsible mother, who knows her husband is a pathetic imbecil, put herself in that position? I blame her for that. She is in prison for a reason. She put herself in a position that forced her to abandon Arthur in the hands of a total moron so in my opinion she bears responsability and lets hope that other parents take a lesson from this. If we want to take best care of our children we must start by taking care of ourselves physically and mentally. I cannot exonerate her. Arthur's life story begins with her.
Surely people on these situations should ensure at least they take contraceptives. I don't think that is a lot to ask or is society a free for all? Anything goes? No one bears responsability for anything?That’s not how drug addiction and abusive relationships work - if only things were that simple. No one would choose to be abused, women don’t ‘stay’ in DV situations they are ‘stuck’ in them. Same with drugs- nobody chooses to be a drug addict- no one would choose that way of life.
Olivia’s case is complicated, for sure, but the rhetoric you are using around her drug addiction and relationship is naive. Perhaps just be thankful that you don’t understand either.
I don’t think he could ever have loved him. It’s impossible to love your child and do what he did. Any act of being a decent father was probably a mask (like Chris Watts)Take his cunting jaw off. Poor baby. I wonder why in so little time he went from loving his son to hating him , did he love him? I’ve not followed this one .
she showed copious amounts of love to her own kids. I wonder how you can go from a loving person and switch just like that . I though she was just an evil cunt not capable of emotion
Bit like SB , an evil cunt
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