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Officedoor123

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So interesting. I'm in Kent and can't remember the last time I saw so many police cars/vans on the roads. Apparently armed police have been at some woods outside folkestone this evening, popular place for walkers but part owned by the MoD and contains structures used by the army for training, so maybe he's trained there in the past and knows the area. I can't see it though, he'd be mad to hang around, probably long gone.
 
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There are a few weird aspects of this case...like hes been called a terrorist, but hasn't even had his trial yet - he's on remand for making fake bombs and eliciting or trying to elicit material that could be handy to a foreign regime.

The fake bombs I read were just cans with wires hanging out of them....so does that justify remand waiting for trial? or is there something else bigger that's been hushed up?

and then the size of the police response was wild - he's not been convicted or charged with anything violent, so I find the police response quite heavy handed. Prisoners do escape, not very often though. This is the first one thats had this manhunt element to it.

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LouBug19

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It is literally looking for a needle in a haystack. He could be anywhere he would completely blend in. If I saw him I probably wouldn't double take if he was in normal clothes. It's been planned, I don't think a lot of people escape from prison without a plan or help. In edinburgh someone here managed to slip the custody officer taking him to court. He was gone I think 48 hours hiding in someone's house.
 
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kikixxxxx

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Well that was fun while it lasted. i was soooooo invested lmao.
I assumed early on he was just a opportunist who had probably noticed this lorry turning up to drop food every day, maybe they were never many prison guards around at this point and he started thinking how easy it would be to simply hide under it. Came up with an idea inside his cell and that was it, no real plan once he had actually escaped and basically just winged it. hes 21, a bit dorky looking with very minimal basic army training. the sensalationist media just hyped up his 'trained solider' status and 'links to iran' for clicks. I'm seeing so many people on twitter wondering what the big deal of finding him was for though.... i mean isnt it kinda obvious? the UK can not let a 21yr old kid (well anyone really) escape from prison, with 150 plus highly trained counter-terrorism officers, mi5, mi6 all looking for him and failing to do so? what would that look like? to current prisoners, to the public, to the world even!! it was to save face obviously, not that hes a particularly dangerous individual. its no wonder they threw all the resources they had plus the kitchen sink at it.

theres a lot of talk about wandsworth being grossly understaffed and this being the reason he was able to escape... could it not be down to sheer incompetence? people failing to do their jobs correctly? the security guards checking the lorry on the way in/out, maybe they didnt really do a thorougher job like they are supposed to? quick glance with a mirror and gave it the go ahead to leave. we got to remember, its extremely rare that something like this would even happen, its not like they would be expecting it, it was a huge lorry, you would have to kneel down and really have a good look to make sure and maybe they just gave it a quick glance with their mirror sticks and flagged it off. it might have been really that simple.

i do wonder where he got the sleeping bag from and the waitrose cool bag full of food and drinks. this implies he at least had some low level help.
a bike would be easy to steal maybe, some clothes off someones washing line, but i noticed he was wearing a grey pair of adidas trainers in the pictures of his arrest. shoes would be harder to simply steal out of someones garden (doubt they'd be lying about) same goes for the sleeping bag and the convenient bag of food & drink.... so yeah. questions are where he got those items from. i would guess he went to a friends house and they helped him with some essentials. if so, they should be expecting a knock at the door soon!
 
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BigMavis

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It'll be interesting to hear if he actually was working with Iran, course they're going to say he wasn't.
But it's quite scary to know someone like him had access to all sorts of data that could put lives at risk. Questions for MOD too. I know we've had a laugh at his assholery but these systems they have in place aren't secure. Where I am we've had several major breaches recently and its been a complete shitshow and the threat is homegrown terrorists, Iran would give me sleepless nights.
 
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Multi-21

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I want to know how long it was before they even knew he had gone? The reports imply it was almost immediately but I am sure that is just PR spin. Also did he really strap himself to the underside of the lorry or was that a red herring?
I thought bbc initially said it was 20 minutes before they realised he had gone

The way he escaped is still baffling. I recall watching clips of a border control show where they used mirrors on sticks to check under cars. Why don't prisons have them?
The bbc article I read said they did use them in the supposed sterile area between the two entrance gates so either not done properly by someone slacking or not done by an assistant who knew the plan and pretended not to see him there
 
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Ensay

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I didn't even think he'd get the chance to enter a plea given the circumstances!

It's like me pleading not guilty to posting messages on Tattle.

I suppose he knows he's going to get the book thrown at him regardless so he's having a bit of fun with it.
 
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Surely the police must have a trail of cctv footage of him after he rolled out from the truck? Maybe they just aren’t releasing that info to the public yet?
 
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Multi-21

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I thought it was interesting when it was all first announced they were wondering if he had external help but didn’t seem to mention if there was someone on the inside helping him

Surely that’s more likely with an escape from inside the prison, that someone turned a blind eye to something
 
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Merpedy

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There are a few weird aspects of this case...like hes been called a terrorist, but hasn't even had his trial yet - he's on remand for making fake bombs and eliciting or trying to elicit material that could be handy to a foreign regime.

The fake bombs I read were just cans with wires hanging out of them....so does that justify remand waiting for trial? or is there something else bigger that's been hushed up?
It always made me laugh slightly when people who hadn't read beyond the headlines referred to him as a terrorist with the idea in mind of a "traditional" terrorist that would be deemed an active danger to society

Yet even when he escaped he didn't seem to pose that much of a danger and went for a nice bike ride and planned a picnic. He clearly seemed to have help from someone so the active and public man hunt element to this makes me think that he wasn't deemed worthy of some sort of intelligence focus (tracking phones of relatives and that) as they seemed to depend a lot on the public spotting him. A bit silly if you think about it really
 
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Well, no wonder they're having difficulty tracking him down: he seems to be everything to everyone!

In all seriousness, it is odd that two separate news sources, who you imagine have fact checkers, have two such different backgrounds listed.
This says his mum’s side is Iranian and Dad’s is Lebanese. That would likely make him more attractive to Iran tbf - no perceived loyalty to the UK perhaps


Non-paywalled version here
 
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Bonbon76

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Surely you would need some knowledge about the lorry and its route though? You would want enough time to roll our safely and not be squashed so you would surely want to be fairly confident you knew when the next delivery was or that the driver was going to stop for long enough to make sure you were clear?
 
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