Which studies are you referring to that were debunked?
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Read about it last year. There was a lot of hysteria about healthy athletes dying from myocarditis caused by Covid. It was ALL over the internet!
Yeah, turns out the study was total garbage with poor data, just like a lot of them (like the 'Long Covid' nonsense which is self-reported from people who never even had it, lol). AFAIK it was last summer, so awhile ago.
We live in a world of heightened paranoia, and fear, that the establishment makes big bucks on. You must justify the destruction of our society (and we are never going back to normal - ever). Make it super scary. What happens when we have a Spanish flu esque pandemic? Yikes. 50M dead in 2 years from that one, most young.
Imagine if they behaved like this in 09-10 with swine flu (I got that, it was horrible; Covid was nothing)...
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Precisely. Why should people be ridiculed for declining a vaccine when stats show for their age and gender (the one they’re assigned at birth not their feelings one) makes them more likely to react to the vaccine poorly than other groups. No one should be ridiculed for declining the covid vaccines, or indeed any vaccines. This is supposed to be a free country not a dictatorship.That's through a natural occurrence that you have no control over ,not an adverse event that you can avoid
Do you have a study to prove to me that this vaccine doesn’t cause long term effects? Genuine question.
There are studies to prove its efficacy. Where are the long term studies to show me that there is literally nothing in them that can cause any long term effects?
My father may disagree with you. He is incredibly fit and healthy and had his first vaccine and felt quite off for a while and started to be short of breath, weak and dizzy. He then had his second shot and within a week was in the hospital and will need a tripple heart bypass as he arteries are so blocked a stent will do nothing. Beforehand he had scans and checkups on his heart and everything was absolutely fine. He is now a statistic on the yellow card scheme as it is agreed by doctors and his cardiologist the vaccine has brought on all these problems which in their words is become much more prevalent since this vaccine was introduced. Heart problems are listed as a side effect registered by many from this vaccine. My dad will probably not make it as his heart is now working at 20% which is why the initial vaccine made him breathless and dizzy as he did not have enough oxygen pumping round his body. This vaccine is still in trials and we are the trial subjects.
So to say with such certainty that there is “literally nothing in them that can cause long term side effects” does shock me as where do you have that information from ? As vaccine inserts themselves state side effects. Every single vaccine has common side effect in their inserts, some short term and some long term. Why have statistics of side effects etc if there is proof that there are no side effects. The flu mist spray for example. The vaccine insert actually has the listed side effects and also the figures of the shedding rates. It states that shedding is higher in the first 3 days. I am immune compromised so advised by my gp not to be around anyone who has had the flu mist or other live vaccines such as the mmr. Dr Ranj was on this morning and a caller phoned in saying she had cancer and should she be around those who have live vaccines? He stated very clearly she would be safe around inactive vaccines (such as the regular flu jab) but mmr, flumist for children etc she must stay well clear. All these things are on the inserts. The statics of shedding are there in black and white much like side effects.
The damage this vaccine is causing is also being registered by the Government themselves. (Are we seeing the true figures? I don’t think so). So I’m just so confused how anyone can say with certainty that there are NO long term side effects from this vaccine. I would genuinely love to see the studies to support this.
I’m not anti vaccine; I take each vaccine on an individual basis weighing up whether the positives outweigh the negatives. I only read studies, vaccine inserts and yes I listen to accounts of those having acknowledged and registered damage from that particular vaccine in question. As if registered like my father and agreed the vaccine caused his problems by numerous doctors and consultants, we cannot really deny that vaccines cause long term side effects.
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Tell that to Boris
This is terrible I’m so sorry your father has suffered so horribly. My cousin also had heart failure from his second vaccine. He developed myocarditis which then resulted in heart failure, for him they were able to fit a pacemaker but he’s on medications now the rest of his life so it’s definitely a long term complication. The consultant told him that myocarditis and heart failure isn’t a mild condition and often results in quite severe illness he was very lucky to recover but he’s a shadow of the man he was. I sincerely hope your father can come through the other side of this it’s absolutely devastating. Xx
I am sorry to hear about your cousin. That is absolutely awful
Yes my Dad’s consultant said the same thing myocarditis is on the rise and much more so they are seeing in teens apparently than ever before. Why is it doctors can admit that but our government can’t ? My Dad has three blocked arteries. He also has an enlarged heart which he never had any of that 6 months previously. He was fit, healthy and had a good diet, exercised regularly. He Is deemed too old and frail for this operation as even one heart bypass could kill him let alone a tripple. So he will inevitably die which we are all trying to come to terms with. We also know it will be extremely unpleasant for him which is even harder to come to terms with. It angers and hurts that very real stories are being censored in the media yet all I seem to see is “Beverley died of Covid wishing she had her Covid vaccine” in the papers every bloody week. Where are the very real stories of the damage this vaccine is doing? I wouldn’t mind if there was some balance in the media giving both sides of the story but that is not the case.
I'm so sorry to read this.I am sorry to hear about your cousin. That is absolutely awful
Why is Dr Robert Malone, the Inventor of the mRNA vaccine very publicly warning people about the danger and risks of it then? Just go to his Twitter to see how actively he is fighting against this rollout. Below is a link to an interview with him on Fox news
Inventor of mRNA Vaccine Warns Against the COVID Shot
Dr. Robert Malone invented the mRNA technology, which has been used to create the Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines. He has been speaking out about the dangers of the COVID shot, such as the damage…
vaccinefreedom.wordpress.com
"Dr. Robert Malone invented the mRNA technology, which has been used to create the Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines. He has been speaking out about the dangers of the COVID shot, such as the damages the Coronavirus spike protein causes in the body. In this interview with Del Bigtree, Dr. Robert Malone calls for a stop of COVID vaccines. He explains that the COVID vaccine can cause enhanced immune response, which creates a worse reaction when exposed to the natural coronavirus. He says that it can create autoimmunities in the the body. Dr. Robert Malone also said that the spike protein is the most dangerous part of the virus (which is in the COVID vaccine) is similar to spike proteins in our bodies, and can open up (not just pass through) the blood brain barrier. This has very dangerous implications for the human body, and why there have been so many adverse reactions to the COVID vaccine."
And this article looks at implications of long term affects, based upon the reactions reporting.
SHOCKING: A World Health Organisation Database Lists 2,201,851 Adverse Reactions to the Covid-19 Vaccine Including Birth Disorders
A database launched by the World Health Organisation (WHO) in 2015 details a worryingly long list of the 2201851 catalogued reports of adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccine. The database –…
dailyexpose.uk
"Additionally, the database state that there have been 1191 congenital (birth) disorders linked to the Covid-19. The highest number of reports fall under a factor V Leiden mutation, a genetic disorder that makes it more likely for an individual to develop a blood clot at some point during life. If a clot develops, it is likely to present in the form of deep venous thrombosis or a pulmonary embolism.
For there to be continental effects listed, this suggests that the Covid-19 vaccine does indeed affect fertility and the development of a foetus in the womb if the mother receives a jab when pregnant. This contradicts what the WHO and other health authorities have stated throughout the rollout of the jab, as they have actively encouraged pregnant women to get vaccinated.
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However, it is unknown what the effects of the spike proteins in the vaccine may have on pregnant women and their unborn children, considering that these jabs have not faced significant safety testing. Additionally, despite health authorities promising that the vaccine remains in the shoulder once injected, a Japanese Pfizer bio-distribution study found high levels of lipid nanoparticles from the vaccine accumulated in different parts of the body including in the uterus, ovaries and lymph nodes. Therefore, we have to wonder what the short term – and long term – consequences of these vaccine ingredients accumulating in organs around the body could be."
And please, to whoever it was above, if you're going to quote "factchecking" articles, can you at least find ones that aren't from websites that have links to the very organisations trying to get us to take the vaccine? Tends to lead to a bias reporting you see...
Do you have any evidence to back this claim up?
Because I can find you loads stating how this claim is lies. There are side effects. People have died. The FDA panel even stated this as evidence as to why they didn’t agree to a third booster, so it’s not of some Twitter or Facebook posts, but out of the mouths of experts,
Tell me again why we need passports and for people to be stripped of their livelihoods?
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I’m convinced the ones that want vaccine passports and mandates want these kind of extreme measures because it has control over people and they know it will make people’s lives difficult, and they enjoy that because their own life is so awful. There are 2 members in this thread that have these views that I have seen post on other threads about how miserable and depressed they are and that they have no friends or a relationship etc. Iv also noticed this pattern IRL that it’s the ones that have 0 life and are miserable that want the rest of us to be put down with them. Sad really!
I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone actually say they want vaccine passports.
I’m fully vaxxed and don’t want one either!
I’m fully vaxxed and don’t want one either!
meet @prozacprincess
She wants vaccines passports, she also wants kids to have the vax ‘for their safety’ I’m sure. Even though she hates children.
I've not heard anyone in RL say they want passports but on SM and TV they're pro.
An older lady told my mum in RL that she thinks they just need to vax the kids to "end this thing". She has no grandchildren so doesn't care about if the kids get hurt. Only her own selfish desire to be "protected" from a virus that they are already vaxxed against.
People act like they are doing things for the greater good but most people only have their own interests in mind.
An older lady told my mum in RL that she thinks they just need to vax the kids to "end this thing". She has no grandchildren so doesn't care about if the kids get hurt. Only her own selfish desire to be "protected" from a virus that they are already vaxxed against.
People act like they are doing things for the greater good but most people only have their own interests in mind.
It’s always the ones with no kids that have such a strong opinion on vaccinated them. Priorities change when you become a parent.
I work along side the most vulnerable. At the beginning they wanted the lockdowns and then wanted things like pubs ect to stay closed for longer.
Some had very strong opinions on how everyone should be vaccinated and didn't want anyone hear them who was unvaccinated. They were also the ones who were very strict on face coverings. I completely understand why they wanted all that, they were watching their peers drop like flies and were rightly terrified!
FF to now - rare do I see anyone I deal with in a mask, some still haven't had even one jab, they don't mind that their friend might not have had one and will happily socialise, they don't want any further lockdowns at all and rarely do they even mention covid... even when a friend catches it they don't panic and still go out and about.
These were people who were the most desperate, so for this massive change of mind speaks volumes in my book.
I meet a lot of people in my work, and in my life the most scared now are working age people, and tend to be the people who spent the passed year either furloughed or working from home. They're also the people who welcome lockdowns/restrictions and are very vocal about vaccines.
Thats not everyone I meet, but I have noticed the trend
Some had very strong opinions on how everyone should be vaccinated and didn't want anyone hear them who was unvaccinated. They were also the ones who were very strict on face coverings. I completely understand why they wanted all that, they were watching their peers drop like flies and were rightly terrified!
FF to now - rare do I see anyone I deal with in a mask, some still haven't had even one jab, they don't mind that their friend might not have had one and will happily socialise, they don't want any further lockdowns at all and rarely do they even mention covid... even when a friend catches it they don't panic and still go out and about.
These were people who were the most desperate, so for this massive change of mind speaks volumes in my book.
I meet a lot of people in my work, and in my life the most scared now are working age people, and tend to be the people who spent the passed year either furloughed or working from home. They're also the people who welcome lockdowns/restrictions and are very vocal about vaccines.
Thats not everyone I meet, but I have noticed the trend
For some older people who no longer have children in their families, children are just an inconvenience to them and germ spreaders. They can't seem to see it from the point of view of the parents, even though they were more than likely parents at some point themselves.
It's issues like these where the government should step in and make the tough decisions like protecting the young or the old, protecting health or finances.
Sadly I feel the gov have prioritised the health of people already at the ends of their lives over everything else, even the health of our children. These are very strange times and I think as parents we need to take the personal responsibility to protect our children from this even if the gov won't.
The current government is for old people by old people, for the most part.
Just look at their continual inflation of the housing market, to the detriment for the majority of the country.
The world will keep vaccinating unless you never want to travel again you’ll need to be up to date with boosters…Also
saw kids from 5up have to be vaccinated for the Disney cruises ( US)
I don't think we should blame any age there are plenty of all ages willing to sacrifice children to feel safer.
we cant say the government are doing everything for the old when they were killed off due to covid patients being sent to care homes, having DNR orders on them, being isolated from family knowing that would kill many as well.
To put the blame on any age is just division I know many older people think its outrageous to be vaccinating the kids, I know many younger people including parents who want the kids done.
we cant say the government are doing everything for the old when they were killed off due to covid patients being sent to care homes, having DNR orders on them, being isolated from family knowing that would kill many as well.
To put the blame on any age is just division I know many older people think its outrageous to be vaccinating the kids, I know many younger people including parents who want the kids done.
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